Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Gay troops ousted under DADT to get back pay

Article from Google: Army Times

The federal government has agreed to pay $2.4 million to dozens of gay troops who were discharged and denied full separation pay under the pre-2011 “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, according to a new court settlement.

The class-action lawsuit was spearheaded by the American Civil Liberties Union and filed in 2010 on behalf of about 181 gay troops who were honorably discharged for violating the military’s ban on gays serving openly in uniform.

The government agreed to provide full back pay, or an average of about $14,000 per former service member, according to the settlement announced by the ACLU.

Service members typically are entitled to separation pay when leaving the military. For example, someone separating at the pay grade of E-5 after six years of service would be entitled to about $19,000 cash.

For years, however, the Pentagon maintained a policy of granting only half the standard separation pay amount for troops who were honorably discharged for being open about their sexual orientation.

Among the plaintiffs was Richard Collins, a former staff sergeant in the Air Force who served for nine years until he was discharged in 2006 under “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

“We gave all we had to our country, and just wanted the same dignity and respect for our service as any other veterans,” Collins said in an ACLU statement.

Collins was stationed at Cannon Air Force Base, N.M., when a co-worker saw him kissing his boyfriend in their car while stopped at an off-base intersection.

According to the settlement, the government will directly contact all troops affected by the lawsuit. Only troops discharged since 2004 are eligible due to the statute of limitations on civil claims.

First of all they were paid while they were in service and that should be their compensation.  They earned their pay while they were serving.  I appreciate and honor them for their service.

However, every single person that enlisted in the military during the time the "Don't ask, Don't tell" policy was active were fully aware of the consequences should they be caught engaging in something that was strictly forbidden. 

They broke that protocol when they decided to engage in their homosexual activities. It was their choice to make and the tax payers shouldn't have to pay them diddly-squat for their erroneous decision to break protocol, whether on base or off.  

It is unjust, and quite frankly unfair, to the tax payers to have to pay them when they weren't even serving. They made their choice and should have to live with the consequences of their actions. I do not believe they should be rewarded for breaking the rules, plus, they were HONORABLY discharged.  

What more do they want?  They are lucky that they received honorable discharges, because the US military didn't have to grant them that favor.

This is unbelievable.


Liberalmann said...

Recompense is a bitch when you're a loony wingnut,eh? Lol!

Leticia said...

Lib, are you ever going to say something with at least a touch of intellect? Really.... And btw, it is also coming out of your pocket, too. You are not exempt. :(

Jersey McJones said...

Leticia, you know most of those discharges had nothing to do with DADT. After DADT even more gay soldiers were discharged for being gay. They were rooted out and removed, out of a deep spite some military leaders had for the law.

The military has to learn it is not some Christian Army, it is not immune from the standards of our society, and it is in fact beholden to it.

I don't see a problem with this action. If anything, it's too little, too late.


radar said...

Typical of the government and liberal loonbats. The ACLU sues municipalities all the time and the taxpayer foots the bill.

As a veteran I can tell you that homosexuals who keep their views to themselves are not a problem, but those with an agenda are a security risk. We who do (or did) put our lives on the line for America don't need guys checking us out in the showers or trying to come on to us in a foxhole.

All troops who are detrimental to doing the job should be shown the door and find civilian work in which their actions do not endanger lives!

Always On Watch said...


Retroactive "enforcement"?

Silverfiddle said...

Jersey is wrong, as usual.

Gays were not "rooted out." something like 90% were self-identified.

look at the paltry number this class action suit represents: 181!

This is hardly a rightwingchristianarmy pogrom against gays.

The broke the rules and got bounced.

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Leticia said...

Jersey, they knew the law and they decided to engage in their activities even though they knew it was a possibility that they would be kicked out for disobedience.

The military used to be strict and never compromised. I don't think we owe them a darn penny.

Radar, glad to get a view point from someone that served and how it does effect the work environment and team work. Thank you!

AOW, it sucks, huh? Sorry I used that word. However, that's how it is. :)

Silver, I know it.

Always On Watch said...

The word fits!

Right Truth said...

Well since we have so much money to spend, we're rolling in it, what does another few thousand, hundred thousand, million, whatever hurt? Reparations for the gays?

Right Truth

Rhino Underwood said...

I had, have, forever, will have a problem with how they were discharged anyway.

If they were under the period that DADT did not cover, they lied about being a homosexual, they lied! They should have been discharged for that alone.

For those that "outed themselves" based upon their conduct on or off duty, the UCMJ is 24 hours worldwide still, right?, They took the action that got them gone, they were paid enough.

I say no money, let them put a uniform back on and earn it. If they don't want to, then that's up to them.

With Obama, do you really think this payback was not coming?

dmarks said...

Rhino said: "I say no money, let them put a uniform back on and earn it. If they don't want to, then that's up to them."

I was thinking toward something like this, but Rhino said it better than I would have.

No money: have them earn it. If they can't cut it as soldiers now, dishonorably discharge them and give them not one cent.

Leticia said...

Debbie, well, Obama and his administration believes that we have money to burn. I wish he would use his own darn money and keep his vile hands off mine.

Rhino, excellent idea,I concur. I honestly believe the DADT should have stayed in tact, but Obama had other plans, as usual.

Right Wing Theocrat said...

I think they should have paid them 10 billion each, in fact each gay soldier ought to get quadruple what a straight soldier gets. After all they have to look good while they're fighting you know. They also fight for 2 flags don't they, the American one and the Rainbow flag. And it's like so hard and such a tremendous struggle being homosexual in this day and age isn't it.

Oh and who cares about the taxpayer, they don't actually pay for anything, it's all obama-money now.

If you run out of money, just raise the debt ceiling, mint a fancy coin, ask the socialist to spend some more or pass it onto the children of those fascist Christians. The runaway train is being controlled by the insane voted for by the insane. Jump off and let them crash.

Leticia said...

MK, love your illustration, my friend.

I wish a lot of us could tell Obama along with his immoral pals, to keep their vile hands off our money!

dmarks said...

Right Said: "Well since we have so much money to spend, we're rolling in it"

That must be it. Elsewhere, the Federal government is so swimming on money that Obama has demanded wasting billions of dollars on a pay raise for overpaid and underworked public "servants" who are quite often millionaires at the public expense.