Sunday, September 9, 2012

UK: Muslim clerics agreeing to marry girls as young as 12, as long as parents don't tell anyone

Jihad Watch:  As we have seen again and again, wherever Islamic law and Western laws conflict, it is Western laws that must give way. Child marriage is rampant among those who believe that Muhammad is the supreme example of conduct (cf. Qur'an 33:21), but Islamic spokesmen in the West frequently assert that it is a cultural phenomenon that has nothing to do with Islam. They did not, however, tell the mullahs.

"The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)." -- Bukhari 7.62.88

Muslims take this seriously and imitate Muhammad in this. Article 1041 of the Civil Code of the Islamic Republic of Iran states that girls can be engaged before the age of nine, and married at nine: "Marriage before puberty (nine full lunar years for girls) is prohibited. Marriage contracted before reaching puberty with the permission of the guardian is valid provided that the interests of the ward are duly observed."

The Ayatollah Khomeini himself married a ten-year-old girl when he was twenty-eight. Khomeini called marriage to a prepubescent girl "a divine blessing," and advised the faithful: "Do your best to ensure that your daughters do not see their first blood in your house."





After hearing and reading about the how Muslims sexually abuse their young children, especially girls, how can some people believe that this "religion" is peaceful, and loving?

Everything that I have read from websites and from the Qur'an, I firmly believe this so called "religion" is false.  How can people still claim that it is harmless. that we, who have done investigating have found evidence contrary to what many misinformed people believe?

The abuse of children is abhorrent, the mistreatment of their women is just as vile and wretched. Their obvious disdain for anyone non-Muslim deserves no respect.  They hate anyone who is intolerant of their ways, they abhor Christians, Jews and even the homosexuals, yet they are continually defended by the zombie media of Obama and his left-wing cronies.

Don't you think it's about time that people realize that Islam is not peaceful and they have absolutely no qualms, especially the radicals, about executing anyone that is non-Muslim and even more frightening they are are just as vicious to those that have abandoned the religion of Islam.

What about their wives, sisters, daughters and mothers that might disobey their men?  Look at the atrocities these women have endured,  some have even experienced brutal deaths, just because they dared to leave, or stood up for themselves. Really?  This is peaceful and loving?  Harmless?

It's time to take a look at the infiltration of this religion in our nation. It is strategic and it doesn't help matters that we have a president that seems to adore and sympathize with them and would love nothing more than to eradicate God, Jehovah, altogether from our Christian nation.  As we saw, first-hand at the DNC.  That cannot be refuted.

Wake up!

40 comments:

Magpie said...

They abhore homosexuals... gee, now, who does that sound like...?

Yep it's pretty backwards. Ultra-conservative. Bad as the Mormon cultists in America marrying girls by the dozen and forcing them to have babies at 13.

This has got nothing to do with the DNC, by the way, which went pretty well even without comparing it to the Elvis wedding-like freakshow of lies that the RNC was.

Got a soft spot for ole Clint Eastwood... directed some fine movies. 7 kids by 5 women and only married twice. And that's fine. They were over 18 and he was not married to all of them at the same time. I don't think they were related either.

Always On Watch said...

Speaking of pedophilia, take a look at THIS!

Take your blood pressure medication first!

Always On Watch said...

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Silverfiddle said...

Weak tea, Magpie...

Abhor homosexuals? When was the last time a Christian collapsed a wall on a homosexual? When was the last time Christian preachers herded homosexuals into a soccer stadium and put bullets in their heads? When was the last time a Christian government prosecuted and executed people for being homosexual?

As for the rest of it. you must invoke "cultists," by definition people way out of the Christian mainstream, which shows you just how rare child bride marriage is in Western Christendom.

This is standard practice in Islam, so you've offered up a false equivalency.

As for Eastwood, he was a consenting adult doing his thing with other consenting adults. He's never claimed to be a paragon of morality or a shining Christian example. That's called liberty. Liberals used to know what that word meant.

Give us some more. It is hilarious watching modern-day liberals, reclining in Western luxury, defend a misogynistic, obscurantist ultra-conservative throwback religion that holds its western liberal defenders in hateful contempt.

Go look up the word Patsy.

dmarks said...

Unfortunately, it is comparable to the ongoing Catholic situation with priests raping children and the top hierarchy covering it up, and in some cases, enabling it by moving the priests around so they can get new victims.

Magpie said...

You’re just raspberry juice Silver.

Yes it is standard practice in Islam and not in America and yet it happens in America even outside of Islam. Fair point?
What is not equivalent about radical Mormons doing the same thing?

At no point was I referring to mainstream Christianity so just get over this totally bogus persecution complex you indulge in CONSTANTLY.
Nobody’s coming to steal your Bible, little guy. It’s perfectly safe.
At no point did I defend radical Islam either. Quite the reverse.

Absolutely I agree with you on Eastwood…
Point is…. I’m not sure everyone else in that room would.

And if he was a woman who had 7 kids with 5 men… would not a lot of people there have called him a slut and burned him at the stake of their very nasty misogynistic code?

Go look up the word hypocrite.

dmarks said...

Magpie said: "They abhore homosexuals... gee, now, who does that sound like...?"

Certainly like no-one in the US. The conservatives and Republicans are campaigning for lower taxes, better government services, and lots of other good things for everyone, including homosexuals.

They aren't in favor of gay marriage, which is hardly radical, as it puts them in line with President Obama's campaign in 2008.

Magpie said...

dmarks,

Yes you're right.

And no I do not have a problem with Catholicism

dmarks said...

I actually do have a problem with Catholicism with some top leaders including cardinals encouraging child rape, and they have not been fired.

This is my main problem with it, as it involves a serious crime.

Other problems, such doctrinal differences, I find to be no big deal. And Catholics who don't like the Church's stand on issues such as abortion are perfectly free to quit this denomination and join one of many countless denominations.

dmarks said...

Also Magpie, you said:

"
At no point was I referring to mainstream Christianity so just get over this totally bogus persecution complex you indulge in CONSTANTLY."

Actually, there is a well-funded political pressure group in US, called the "ACLU" that quite often files frivolous lawsuits with the aim of getting the government to censor (deny First Amendment rights) to Christian individuals who express their faith. Yes, it is persecution.

Sure, it is not as bad as places like the Sudan, where worshippers of the Muslim god routinely slaughter Christians for the crime of not believing in the same god. But this violation of civil liberties is real, and should not happen in a free country.

Silverfiddle said...

Nice try little Magpie...

Your comment I rebutted was shot through with false equivalencies, comparing statistical anomalies in Western Christendom with normative behavior in the Muslim world.

And you're barking at ghosts when you mention my so-called "persecution complex." Your comment it totally unfounded by the facts.

You are a patsy, and your knee-jerk comment proves it. Somebody criticizes Islam, and like a good little dhimmi-lib, you must turn around and attack Christianity.

Lisa said...

And if he was a woman who had 7 kids with 5 men… would not a lot of people there have called him a slut and burned him at the stake of their very nasty misogynistic code?



At least Clint Eastwood can afford to support them. If people want to have kids with different people that's their business as long as they don't expect the government to support the kids which is more probable when a woman has many kids from different men.

The Question Man said...

As expected: “2016: Obama's America”, the Anti-Obama hate film is full of crap. FACT CHECK!
I tell you this movie is horrible.
Anyone who doesn’t have a hateful bone in their body knows this for a fact. 2016: Obama’s America by Dinesh D’Souza is nothng but Grade-S Neo-Cancervative propaganda racist BS! The real nature of this hate-fest of lies is to scare Americans into becoming racists and vote the Black man out of office. Even though we were too late, the hate-speech movie has done well in theaters, but we can still post the truth:.
It is also dead wrong. That is because it misses the fundamental political fact of the last dozen years: the Obama administration is the operational successor of the Bush administration. In Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Guantanamo, on Wall Street, Barack Obama is George W. Bush in blackface. Obama is the star of a 21-century minstrel show.
This fact has been deliberately ignored for almost four years by both the neoconservative Right and the grin-and-bear-it Left. Neither side will admit what I regard as the fundamental fact of this documentary. It is a long whitewash of the policies of George W. Bush. They’re just mad that a Blackman is in the white house and you can’t wait to get him out? I'm more afraid of the wacky Mormons taking over the world, then anything Obama can do.

Leticia said...

Magpie, stick with the post, this is ABOUT Muslims, not Mormons, or Clint Eastwood for that matter. And for your information, I frown any person (male) who prey on young girls, regardless of religion, creed or ethnicity. One more vital bit of information, Christians don't hate homosexuals, we care for them but, like a broken record, the sin will never be accepted. Sin is sin.

AOW, oh boy! Do I want to?? I will definitely be drinking some coffee for this one. Thanks, AOW.

Silver, as always you are spot-on! It's funny how liberals will play the "evil Christian" card to downplay the evils of Muslim behavior. Pedophilia should never be accepted or endorsed in any manner of form.

dmarks, there are priests who have committed these heinous crimes against children, but it is NOT condoned by the church. Islam not only condones this vile behavior but has guidelines on when it is acceptable to rape these young little girls.

Lisa, exactly. If it were women they would have been executed, no doubt about.

Question man, what does "2016" have to do with this post? Hello?

dmarks said...

KKKuestion Man said:

"Barack Obama is George W. Bush in blackface"

Glad you stopped burning crosses for a brief enough moment to come and make your comment.

"Obama’s America by Dinesh D’Souza is nothng but Grade-S Neo-Cancervative propaganda racist BS!"

Dinesh is a traditional conservative, not any sort of neo-anything. And have you seen the movie? I did. There is nothing racist in it.

"I'm more afraid of the wacky Mormons taking over the world, then anything Obama can do."

I see. Not only are you an anti-black racist, you are a raving religious bigot. But this too is out of the KKK playbook.

dmarks said...

Leticia: "dmarks, there are priests who have committed these heinous crimes against children, but it is NOT condoned by the church."

I have some difference with this. There are multiple cardinals (one of the church's very highest office) who are STILL in power, who knew about these crimes, approved them, and reacted to them only by moving the priests around when things got to "hot" so the priests could get new victims. The Roman Catholic Church has not taken this crisis seriously at all, and has knowingly left those responsible in power.

"Islam not only condones this vile behavior but has guidelines on when it is acceptable to rape these young little girls."

The main difference here is that the holy book of the Muslims mentions and celebrates this. The Bible does not. But, regardless of the Bible, the Roman Catholic leaders still accept this.

Leticia said...

dmarks, I can't say true or not about the allegations on how the church handles the priests that do these crimes, but surely they are punished one way or another.

dmarks said...

Leticia:

Here is just one account

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/08/pressure-bishop-sex-abuse-resign?newsfeed=true

"Bishop Robert Finn was found guilty Friday of failing to report suspected child sexual abuse to authorities, prompting calls for him to step down or be booted from office....

But despite a growing campaign to force his ouster, church officials have maintained that he isn't going anywhere – despite the conviction."

Magpie said...

You brought up the DNC Leticia, so I brought up the RNC. That's fair. If I said something critical about the DNC or praiseworthy about the RNC then you would have been perfectly happy.

Sin is not sin, Leticia. To say homosexuality is a sin is no different than saying homosexuals are hated by your god which means they are hated by you.

There is no such thing as sin. That's a daft little way of meddlesome priests telling the innocent that they are tainted and that they must grovel in the dirt for any kindness. Psychological violence. We all should have left the idea of sin behind in those very same dark ages that hardline Islam is still in.

dmarks said...

Magpie said: "There is no such thing as sin."

That is an assertion of your religious faith. Some of us assert a different faith.

Silverfiddle said...

Leticia:

Sadly, I must agree with this comment from Dmarks:

There are multiple cardinals (one of the church's very highest office) who are STILL in power, who knew about these crimes, approved them, and reacted to them only by moving the priests around when things got to "hot" so the priests could get new victims. The Roman Catholic Church has not taken this crisis seriously at all, and has knowingly left those responsible in power.

I am a Catholic, and like millions of others, I am extremely angry at this.

Pedophilia is bad enough, and in any given cohort you will have a few abusers, but the coverups and moving these sick perverts around is a great crime, and it is true that there are enablers as high as cardinal still walking free, enjoying life.

Cardinal Bernard Law is one. The Archdiocese of Boston is bankrupt thanks to what went on during his tenure.

How was he punished? He was brought to Rome and put in charge of St Maria Maggiore Basilica, one of the four principle basilicas in Rome.

We Catholics believe in Christ's forgiveness, and we believe it is absolute and conquers all, but we also believe in paying for what you've done and repairing the damage where you can.

I see none of that in the Church leadership. All I can say in their defense is that it is a criminal and legal matter, so they can't come out and admit guilt. Regardless, it's a horrible situation.

As happens so often in life, the actions of a few have smeared millions and tarnished the works of countless good people.

dmarks said...

A few? It's bigger than you think. When I checked a few years ago, I found that one out of every twenty-five priests has been caught doing these things. That's a massive problem and at a lower level than just the enablers at the top.

Penn. State made heads roll and sacked the top enabler (Joe Paterno) in very short order. Why is the Catholic scandal still raging years after it was revealed?

Jeff said...

The church is no different than any other group. They are just popular to rant and rave about. Fact is, children are more likely to be molested in public schools than by a priest. Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church Priest are human, no different than the rest of humanity. Catholic sex abuse cases …In A Perspective on Clergy Sexual Abuse by Thomas Plante, a psychiatrist specializing in abuse counseling and considered an expert on clerical abuse, he states "approximately 4% of priests during the past half century (and mostly in the 1960s and 1970s) have had a sexual experience with a minor."[6][37] According to Newsweek magazine, the figure is similar to that in the rest of the adult population.[38]

Jeff said...

Links:

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/5/01552.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

dmarks said...

Jeff: What is your point? That everyone should lay off the RCC, because the high incidence priests raping children is normal compared to the general population?

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Jeff said...

My point is you are wrong headed to equate the church with a group that has codified and normalized pedophilia. They do not compare at all. If you must ignore what the post is about and rage about some other topic, it would be more factual to equate the 8th grade public school English teacher than the clergy, but even that does not rightly compare. You come off as just having an axe to grind. Guess what, priests are just as human as all of the rest of humanity, only slightly better. They are not xmen. And there is no Easter bunny.

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Leticia said...

I promise to respond tomorrow to everyone's comments. I just have been napping off and on today, been sick for a while and neglected this part of my blog. And concentrated on 9/11.

Rest assured, I will respond. As for now, I am headed to bed.

dmarks said...

Jeff said: "My point is you are wrong headed to equate the [Roman Catholic Church] with a group that has codified and normalized pedophilia"

I have replaced "church" with "Roman Catholic Church" here because we are discussing one denomination

Equate? I didn't go as far as that. However, the two are very close thanks to the efforts at the top levels of the RCC to encourage and promote the rape of children. Sure, it is not a "codified" policy, but an "informal" policy by the RCC to encourage its staffers committing violent acts against the defenseless is hardly much better. And hardly defensible.

" You come off as just having an axe to grind."

Well, yes. Rape of children by RCC priests is rather common, and worse yet, the heirarchy has little problem with it. The thing is, why don't you have an axe to grind? Why do you defend this practice as normal?

As in the below comment, where you defend these atrocious actions as just being "normal":

"Guess what, priests are just as human as all of the rest of humanity"

Silver, this is the first time I've seen someone actually defend, in multiple posts even, priests raping children.

Jeff said...

No one is defending child rape. There is no point discussing if you are just going to make things up.

dmarks said...

You were, Jeff. Everyone can see it. You defended it in multiple ways, saying the priests were only human, and also justifying it by claiming that 4% of the general population assault children anyway (a dubious claim at that). You defend this practice. I am not making stuff up to point out this fact.

Jeff said...

Yes, I said priests are the same as all other people. You saying this means I say child rape is okay just means you are being an idiot. There is not a connection to be made there at all.

dmarks said...

You specifically said this in defense of the priests. I present the facts, and in response you use lame insults. Yes there is a connection, and you made it. Why else would you defend the priests and deride those who think child rape is bad as 'having an axe to grind'?

Jeff said...

You do not know how to read. Go buy a dictionary.

dmarks said...

I read what you typed and know all of the words. It is not my fault you used words to defend the indefensible, and made silly references to Xmen, as if avoiding raping children were something only a superhero could accomplish.

I do know how to read. You are lying when you say I don't.

Jeff said...

You read what you want to read and then make stupid remarks. You don’t know what the word justify means and are not able to admit you did not understand something. If you don’t understand something, you don’t get to make up your own definition. There is no point in a dialog with a raving lunatic.

dmarks said...

I read what you said, not what I wanted you to say. Your last comment is nothing but insult and baseless accusation. Anything to divert from your misteake of defending child rape by priests.

I understood everything quite well... and there is the problem.

If anything is 'raving lunacy', it is your defending the actions you now refuse to discuss.

By the way, I do know what the word 'justify' means. Your claim that I do not is another flat-out lie.

Better quit while you are way behind. You were caught standing up for rapist priests, and now you are just spittle-flecking.

Jeff said...

Because everything someone says is not negative about the church does not mean they are defending child rape. You saying so does make you an idiot without me saying so. And you are a liar. Piss off.

Leticia said...

Magpie, you don't recognize sin, but Christians do and we follow the Bible and what it teaches us. What do you think Torah means???

Anyhoo...

I am not sure how the attacks on Catholic priests came into a post about Muslims marrying little girls and raping them.

But the the conversations here have taken a traumatic turn in condemning Catholics. Which I will say DO NOT condone rape of little children.