Monday, May 7, 2012

MUSLIM STUDENTS HOLD ALL GIRL PROM IN MICHIGAN HIGH SCHOOL



WAIT JUST ONE MINUTE! A Muslim only event is being held at a public school? Really?

Okay, so what if, say, a Christian boy or girl wanted to attend or what if a lesbian or anyone from the LGBT movement wanted to attend? What would happen? Would they be welcomed? Or turned away?

Where's the liberal ACLU? Why aren't they jumping all over this? Are they not all about "separation of church and state?" This is a public facility, after all. Bloody hell!

So, if the Muslims can have their own prom, what would happen if there was a "Christians Only Prom?" Held at the same public school? I can guarantee the ACLU, atheists, or whomover would be throwing the biggest fit, suing the school, the principal, etc.

I can't believe this is happening in America! As I have been saying, Muslims seem to receive special treatment, accommodations, and allowed to push their religion down our throats. I would not tolerate this at my kids school. Either they adapt to American culture or get the hell out. No one is stopping them from attending a normal senior prom.

It's been her dream?? And she is crying because she feels so independent! Good grief! Yeah, whatever, cry me a river. 

"I wonder what they’ll do at this prom, seeing as singing, dancing, and music are haram (forbidden) in Islam?And what happens if lesbians wish to attend? Homosexuality is punishable by death under Islam." Comment from Barenaked Islam




Hat tip to Malcom Bondon   Last night I emailed the English teacher at Hamtramck High School who assisted the students in organizing the prom. I asked if she could confirm where the prom was held. She replied today informing me that it was held at the Gates of Columbus Hall in Hamtramck. 

I'll give you a slight pass on incorrectly stating the prom was held at the high school. In addition to Tharima Ahmed misspeaking in the video, the ABCNews.com headline also stated that the prom was held at the high school. 


Thank you, Malcolm.

34 comments:

Silverfiddle said...

I don't mind people keeping themselves in the dark ages...

I just wish they'd go back where they came from to do it.

Qutb was outraged a men and women dancing together in Greeley Colorado. His followers will not rest until America has corrected such mistakes.

Leticia said...

Silver, I couldn't agree more. I hadn't about Qutb? Good grief.

Malcolm Bondon said...

Two things...

1. This was not a Muslim-only event. According to an ABCNews.com article:

"Among the estimated 120 girls who attended were Muslim students from the school’s other grades, those who had graduated without going to their own proms and non-Muslim students who were there to enjoy the evening with their friends."

2. It was not held at Hamtramck High School. The prom took place at a banquet hall in the city.

Leticia said...

Malcolm, the girl clearly states in the beginning that it was at her school. Listen again.

Malcolm Bondon said...

Leticia: Before posting, I listened to the clip several times and heard the girl say the prom was held at her school. However, I've read several news reports which state it was held at a banquet hall. While it's possible the girl misspoke, it's also possible the news reports made an error. I am doing further research to find out exactly where the prom was held.

One thing we do know is that the event wasn't for Muslim girls only as you stated in your post. Where did you get the idea that it was?

Uncle Walt said...

Actually, non-Muslims did attend. Don't know about any Lesbians, but it was not an all-Muslim event.

And it wasn't held on school property.


The video was from the NYTimes website. Here is the link to the NYTimes article which clearly identifies that the prom was held in a former Knights of Columbus hall in town, not on school grounds.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/02/us/hamtramck-high-holds-all-girl-prom.html

So what exactly are you so upset about?

Jersey McJones said...

Leticia, I don't know what you're complaining about here. Isn't this what you Christians want? Both the imposition of religious values on the schools, and the further imposition on ceremonies because of that?

Be careful what you wish for.

JMJ

Leticia said...

Malcolm, let me know what you find out.

UW, the girl in the video set up the prom and said clearly where it was held and it was for Muslims.

Jersey, not really upset, I just don't appreciate the special treatment.

Ducky's here said...

"Among the estimated 120 girls who attended were Muslim students from the school's other grades, those who had graduated without going to their own proms and non-Muslim students who were there to enjoy the evening with their friends."

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Keep spreading the fertilizer,Letisha.

Lisa said...

Yeha this only happens in other countries

Lisa said...

I am glad this court is not here America

Malcolm Bondon said...
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christian soldier said...

how about organizing a Christian force (may it be with us in the US) :-) )

and have Christian only events in the public sector-and be prepared to sue - like the dark side is always prepared to organize and to sue...
Carol-CS

Malcolm Bondon said...

Leticia: The girl never said the prom was for Muslims only. Twice in the clip she clearly stated it was a girls only prom.

Also, the text I included from the ABCNews.com article points this out as well. Here is the link to the article:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/05/students-hold-girls-only-prom-at-detroit-high-school/

Also, a NYT article states not only that the prom wasn't for Muslims only, it also says it was held at a former Knights of Columbus Hall.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/02/us/hamtramck-high-holds-all-girl-prom.html?pagewanted=all

Magpie said...

“how about organizing a Christian force (may it be with us in the US) :-) )”

It’s already been done.

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2DMjefDtk8&feature=related

And these people REALLY love Jesus. Talk about him constantly.
They want ‘other’ sorts of people to go away too, like some of you guys.

Now… how about everyone….
just have a nice cup of coffee (a cultural import from Arab civilisation)
and think about how
A BUNCH OF SCHOOLGIRLS…
having a party…

rank up against these people.

Anonymous said...

"...seeing as singing, dancing, and music are haram (forbidden) in Islam?....."

But is it?

Again your implying that only the ultra-conservative wahabi/salafi version of Islam is the right one when most Muslims are not followers of that sect.

What you have, again, is an example of a certain group pushing and milking the system and, AGAIN, your assuming it represents all Muslims.

Your blog is way to full of the word "Muslims" instead of "this group".

I wonder if you would support putting up items about say a certain Florida Church group and just refer to them as "Christians". Agreed that support for these radicals are much larger and organised but the fact remains these posts represent a badly confused viewpoint that has avoided context.

Most government schools in most Muslim countries are in fact mixed-gender. Now in context, your comment above fails the reality text. Most private schools in most Muslim schools are mixed-gender as well except schools organised by religious organisations. That is logical. Saudi Arabia has no mixed gender government schools except for University which allows it. Iran has a two-phased school system - government and semi-government, the former is mixed gender and the later is part-religous and not mixed.

The other reality is that "prom nights" are very "American". The tradition in Britain is to have a "school social" which I think also exists in Australia and perhaps other Commonwealth countries. It is not, however, anything as coordinated and traditional as "Prom Nights". Thus, even discussing "prom nights" out of America would be a mistake.

Try again

Anonymous said...

"...seeing as singing, dancing, and music are haram (forbidden) in Islam?....."

But is it?

Again your implying that only the ultra-conservative wahabi/salafi version of Islam is the right one when most Muslims are not followers of that sect.

What you have, again, is an example of a certain group pushing and milking the system and, AGAIN, your assuming it represents all Muslims.

Your blog is way to full of the word "Muslims" instead of "this group".

I wonder if you would support putting up items about say a certain Florida Church group and just refer to them as "Christians". Agreed that support for these radicals are much larger and organised but the fact remains these posts represent a badly confused viewpoint that has avoided context.

Most government schools in most Muslim countries are in fact mixed-gender. Now in context, your comment above fails the reality text. Most private schools in most Muslim schools are mixed-gender as well except schools organised by religious organisations. That is logical. Saudi Arabia has no mixed gender government schools except for University which allows it. Iran has a two-phased school system - government and semi-government, the former is mixed gender and the later is part-religous and not mixed.

The other reality is that "prom nights" are very "American". The tradition in Britain is to have a "school social" which I think also exists in Australia and perhaps other Commonwealth countries. It is not, however, anything as coordinated and traditional as "Prom Nights". Thus, even discussing "prom nights" out of America would be a mistake.

Try again

Anonymous said...

Music is haram?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_music

Even in the most prudish, puritanical ultra-conservative Muslim country, Saudi Arabia there is the Ardah - a dance with swords, albiet by men only.

Ardah (Arabic: العرضة‎al-‘arḍah) is a type of folkloric dance performed by the Bedouin tribes of Najd.

Then there is Andalousian Music that is popular over all of North Africa. The Andalousis are the remnants of the evicted "Moors" of Spain. Their music is both unique in style and protected by UNICEF not only as heritage but because it has special harmonies that exist in no other part of the world. They sing both as groups of men or mixed gender. Most styles are devotional in a religious sense but not all, there is also romance versions.

Sufis sing and dance as part of spiritual styles - Sufis are mostly in Turkey, Syria and in NW Africa.

Though the puritanicals will tell you that music and dance is haram, we must wonder why devout Muslims globally listen to music all the time.

In the Arab world there is a passionate support for what is known as "classical singers" (singers from the 1950s to the early 1970s) mostly in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria. The love, passion and hype for these artists often is fanatic and even todays' arab youth whom love rap and watch MTV will be able to name and bow their heads in respect for these artists.

To think that someone said there is no music or dance in Islam.....

Leticia said...

Malcolm, thank you for the links. I guess with the media it's a toss up on whose telling the truth, who's splicing it up and who is actually reporting just the facts. Sucks, hey?

Magpie, coffee wins every time! I absolutely love coffee, one of my favs are of course, latte's, and a special Kahlua the coffee shop I frequent makes, no alcohol, but oh soooo....good. Wish all problems could be solved with sharing a nice cup of joe.

Lisa, it's hard to argue with people who are convinced otherwise.

Anon or are you Damien? First off, set up a name or something that will identify you. Okay, it's fine and dandy when you have your opinions, but I like to know to whom I am addressing. Proms are also done in Canada if I am not mistaken. The last quote in red was copied from another website which I gave credit to. I trust the website and I will do some of my own research. And yes, I do admit I do speak out against Islam because if Muslims want to migrate and live here then they sure as hell should adapt to the American way and not the other way around.

Liberalmann said...

Haters

dmarks said...

I respect the rights of those who worship the Muslim gods to worship their deity, just as I respect the rights of Christians to worship theirs.

Malcolm Bondon said...

Leticia: You're welcome. Last night I emailed the English teacher at Hamtramck High School who assisted the students in organizing the prom. I asked if she could confirm where the prom was held. She replied today informing me that it was held at the Gates of Columbus Hall in Hamtramck.

I'll give you a slight pass on incorrectly stating the prom was held at the high school. In addition to Tharima Ahmed misspeaking in the video, the ABCNews.com headline also stated that the prom was held at the high school.

However, where I'm not cutting you any slack is in your claim that this was an event for Muslims only. In addition to Ms. Ahmed never saying the prom was for Muslims only, the articles I read also stated the event was open to non-Muslims as well.

A little over a week ago, you remarked that liberals don't do their research. I understand you were referring to electing officials, but research is research and you came up short on this post. You and I will likely never agree on politics, religion, etc. However, I'm confident you will do the honorable thing in regards to correcting the factual errors in this post.

christian soldier said...

is anyone surprised that this takes place in Michigan- near Dearborn-- the city that caved and allows very loud muslim prayers to be 'broadcast' via loud speakers- from various mosques...-
how about Christian prayers being loud-speaker (d) --!!
Carol-CS

Leticia said...

Malcolm, again, thanks. I am glad you had connections. I will post your comments as a retraction. See, I can be reasonable. I will admit when I am wrong, no biggie. No one is perfect. And I think, we actually have agreed on a few things. :)

Carol, I actually did notice that, I should have mentioned it. What a mess this whole thing has caused.

Malcolm Bondon said...

Leticia: Thanks for linking to my blog and for printing a retraction in regards to the location of the all-girls prom. However, you're only halfway there. It's been established that the event was open to non-Muslims as well.

In light of the facts, I am puzzled by Christian Soldier's repeated comments and your reply to them saying "What a mess this whole thing has caused". We all know that the all-girls prom wasn't held at the school and was open to non-Muslim students. If you still have a problem with the all-girls prom, can you explain why?

Leticia said...

Malcolm, it's a mess because it was done by a group of Muslim girls or one that started the whole thing and or some of them. I don't have a problem with an all girls prom, which is pretty weird to begin with, but the fact that it could have just been a called something else. Proms were meant to be for for young men and women, not just girls.

Muslim parents would have never allowed the "dance" to happen if boys were invited.

And you're welcome.

Anonymous said...

Leticia, yes it is Damien. I forgot to add my name as I used my mobile (nokia e71x).

Why do you constantly assume to much and broad sweep? Do you honestly think a mixed dance would be banned simply because they are 'muslim'? sure if they are conservative or from a severe culture but so would say orthodox Jews.

The reality is that some muslims do and others do not, BUT giving wide sweeping comments like above or no music or singing is just the type of garbage that pushs more ignorance and hate.

D Charles

Right Wing Theocrat said...

It won't be long before they demand a muslim-only prom, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least when liberals choke down their outrage. They don't have the balls to take on islam by themselves and I sure won't be helping them.

They can get the gays and confused to help them out.

Leticia said...

MK, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Magpie said...

"They don't have the balls to take on islam by themselves"

Well I’m not too alarmed, RTW.

I’m sure you have the balls to beat up a bunch of schoolgirls. Just pretend they are sexually active like the other ones you want to hurt.

“the gays and confused”

What a bigot you are.

Malcolm Bondon said...

Leticia: Why should the fact that a Muslim or Muslims organized the prom matter? After all, it wasn't a Muslim-only event. Are you upset because you feel it could lead to Muslim-only proms?

Leticia said...

Malcolm, yeah, and I believe it could lead to that. I do not like special treatment being given to one particular group, or religious group.

Malcolm Bondon said...

So, if a Christian organized a prom, would you also be concerned about them possibly spearheading proms for Christians only?

Anonymous said...

RWT says "It won't be long before they demand a muslim-only prom"

My question, RWT, is who is "they"? Can you be a bit more specific or is this also a wide-sweeping - the Muslims. That would be, of course, wrong simply because it would mean "all Muslims" and evidence says that is not the case. The problem with flippant usage of the word "they" is that under scrutiny it is just as lame, inaccurage and prone to bigotry as say that foolish comment in red in the main article.

Damien Charles