Tuesday, April 17, 2012

Tampa 'at risk' of Islamic takeover

The head of a Florida-based pro-family organization is deeply concerned that the "Islamization" of Tampa is not far behind that of Dearborn, Michigan.

The Florida Family Association (FFA) has been instrumental in warning parents that a representative of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) had been invited several times to Steinbrenner High School in Tampa to indoctrinate children with Islamic propaganda, including sharia law. But The Tampa Tribune has criticized the family group for doing so and supported CAIR, whose Florida office is located in Tampa.

David Caton, president of the FFA, says there is a reason the radical Islamic group has taken up residence in the area.

"Tampa has a very large population of Muslims," he explains. "We've had numerous public officials embrace various political aspects of Islamist extremism and changes of policy that trend more toward sharia. Tampa is at risk; it's one of the top five cities at risk."

And the pro-family advocate warns that the Islamization of the city is not far behind that of Dearborn, Michigan, which Jan Markell of Olive Tree Ministries has nicknamed "Dearbornistan."

"Dearborn is almost lost because 50 percent of their population is Arabic-Muslim," Caton reports. "They can elect and dominate the government there. But we have a smaller population [of Muslims] in Tampa than Dearborn, and we're already having non-Islamic leaders embracing their progressive agenda."

So he contends that the Islamization of Tampa must be brought to a halt.


So my question is to those that continually argue with me that Jehovah God and Allah are the same. Tell my why only Muslims get the privilege and invitations to speak in public schools, and Christians and Jews are forbidden?

Students are even forbidden to wear crosses, pray or even wear t-shirts that proclaim their belief in Jesus Christ? Which is unconstitutional, btw.
And special accommodations for kids in public schools on Fridays, which for Muslims is the "Jumah" meaning Friday Congregational Worship . Some Muslim students may wish to make arrangements to leave campus temporarily to attend congregational prayers at a local masjid (mosque), while others may ask to use an empty classroom to conduct the worship service themselves.

The video I posted about the Islamic propaganda is moving fast through the UK and it is moving here as well in the states.

One more question? Would Islamic nations and schools allow Jewish or Christian organizations in their schools, work places, or allow them to march down their streets condemning their nation and police?

Think about that for a moment.

36 comments:

Right Truth said...

You are right about the different way that Islam is given privilege over other religions, especially over Christianity. Those who cry 'separation of church and state', always do it against Christians, never against Muslims. This in Tampa is a shame, but there are probably other cities in the same situation, we just don't hear about all of them.

Debbie
Right Truth
http://www.righttruth.typepad.com

Anonymous said...

The first Conciliar document dealing with Islam was promulgated
on 21 November 1964 by Paul VI and entitled Lumen
Gentium. In paragraph 16 is stated:


"Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related
in various ways to the people of God. In the first place
we must recall the people to whom the testament and the
promises were given and from whom Christ was born according
to the flesh. On account of their fathers this people
remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts
He makes nor of the calls He issues: But the plan of salvation
also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the
first place amongst these there are the Mohammedans, who,
professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore
the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge
mankind."

In Lumen Gentium, a dogmatic constitution on the Church
(therefore ex cathedra), Islam is recognised as a faith that
believes in and worships the same God as the adherents of
the Roman Catholic Church. This is revolutionary in its implications,
because if Muslims are deemed to know the True God, then their revelation must also be, in some degree, necessarily
true. To worship God, one must know Him, and one
knows Him primarily through revelation.69 This is left open
to question and the Church has subsequently been careful not
to go any further than this.

In the second Conciliar Declaration dealing with the relation of the Church to non-Christian religions, Nostra Aetate,
promulgated on 28 October 1965 by Pope Paul VI, the declaration
states at paragraph 3:

The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They
adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful
and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who
has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly
to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom
the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted
to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they
revere Him as a prophet. They also honour Mary, His virgin
Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition,
they await the Day of Judgment when God will render
their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the
dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities
have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice
and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom."

The Catholic Church through their Catachism states without question and enscribed within Church Law that Islam worships the same God. dmarks would like to consider that the entire Church is a "few clergy"....

cube said...

I hear about the situation in Tampa because I live here. In fact, Samil Al Arian, master manipulator and found to be guilty of conspiring to
contribute "services" to the Palestine Jihad, was a professor at USF, my alma mater. During his trial, his family would often be on the Court Room steps bleating about his plight to the press. They know how to use our legal system to their advantage.

Anonymous said...

I have no problem that all the main religions are shown to children at school so that they do not become later on miopic, xenophobic and worse later on.

Because I know nothing about school curriculum in the US I cannot say what level of rules, restriction and limits are set for such activities in your country.

Over here all children in government AND private schools (including religioius) are required to be exposed to the six main religions to a level that they know what they represent and how they practice it. That includes the three Abrahamic Faiths as well as Hinduism, Buddhism and Sikhism. They must also provide a presentation about atheism and agnostics.

The issue about religious symbols and headscalves is a touchy one. They do not want to have overt religous symbols dominating life in Government schools but over here they cannot stop what is known as "minimal religous requirements" which would be a Sikh boys' turbin or a girl's hijab. Religous Schools can impose their restrictions on those of other faiths but if they accept other faiths in the school they must accept the minimam religious requirement rule.

As for this item, I note that the item is from the florida family association which is a religous-political lobby group and thus should be judged as "baised". Just five minutes on the web and you will see that they will also say that Florida is going down into an immoral decline because of gay and lesbian marriages, etc, etc.

I am all for pushing moral standards, I support that. I am against legalizing gay marriage and I believe as my Church does in the sanctity under God's law regarding marriage. However, give people like that FFA control over the community and they will impose thier version of Sharia.

As for Tampa being under threat of Islamization, I think it is all hype in many aspects. I agree that CAIR and the politcal Islamists in America will milk your society for everything they can get, they are still fringe and a minority and it is the weakness to respond to them by your governments that is important, not them par se.

Damien Charles

Fred said...

DC, you say “Islam is recognised (sic) as a faith that
believes in and worships the same God as the adherents of
the Roman Catholic Church.”, not the Lumen Gentium. Why take pleasure in *linking itself*, if they are the same? Because they are not the same. You are reading more into it.
“professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore
the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge
mankind."
Yes, *they claim* the god of Abraham as their own, not the same as the church saying they are the same. That is to give legitimacy to themselves. It just states what they say about themselves. You can say you are a devote catholic but that does not make it true. And yes, one god will judge all mankind. Not the god of Islam, but it is one god. You are just interpreting it the way you like it.

"Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related
in various ways to the people of God.” This includes everybody to have ever lived, pagan and etc. You would be saying the entire collection of pagan gods are all the same god of Abraham if you apply this the way you are. It is only making a place for those who are true to what they believe, pagan or whatever.

Fred said...

Why say “professing to hold the faith of Abraham” instead of “who hold...” ? “deemed to know the True God”. Deemed only by you.

dmarks said...

I live pretty close to Dearborn. I read about it in the news a lot. Seriously, any sort of Arab-Muslim dominance there is not on the radar as far as Michigan's problems go. Not by a long shot.

Damien said: "dmarks would like to consider that the entire Church is a "few clergy"....

I'm still waiting for evidence that many beyong these few clergy ignorantly mush together the very contradictory and different Muslim God and the Christian one.

You can quote proclamations by a few top clergy until the cows come home. But what do the believers really think?

Fred said: " You would be saying the entire collection of pagan gods are all the same god of Abraham if you apply this the way you are"

Yes, that is a logical extension to the confused minority view that the Muslim God and the Christian God at teh same.

Ducky's here said...

"We've had numerous public officials embrace various political aspects of Islamist extremism and changes of policy that trend more toward sharia. Tampa is at risk; it's one of the top five cities at risk."

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Just say sharia and the fringe right wingers start wetting themselves.

I wonder if these demented thumpers can give any examples that would concern the reality based population.

Z said...

Ohio prisons now don't serve pork to anyone because muslims complained it might touch their food in the prep.
Jews eat Kosher meals, Muslims won't eat the halal meals presented to them just in case pork was in the same room.
Think this is about diet or agenda?
So, it's the majority which must bow, again. It's silly, but true.

jez said...

"those that continually argue with me that Jehovah God and Allah are the same."

depends what you mean by the "same". It's like if your friend Alice and my friend Bob both know a third person Carl. Maybe Alice knows Carl from work, and Bob knows Carl from a bar. You and I might both hear stories about the Carl, and would probably have different impressions of him. Carl is one person, we might both have heard about how he went to school with a fella called Abraham back in the '70s, so we know it's the same Carl. But you might know, through Alice, about how Carl is a responsible man, a prompt taxpayer, the sort of person who always washes up his coffee mug. Whereas I might know, through Bob, about the hellraiser Carl who puts Springsteen on the jukebox for hours at a stretch and drinks bourbon from the bottle. Different Carls.

That's why you're all right. This whole argument comes down to petty semantics over the word "same". You don't disagree about anything substantial.

dmarks said...

Ducky said: "Just say sharia and the fringe right wingers start wetting themselves."

Yet, there are no fringe right wingers present.

However, if you are concerned about Constitutional rights, you should be concerned about the terrorist law system known as shariah, at least. It directly contradicts the Bill or Rights.

dmarks said...

Jez said: "Maybe Alice knows Carl from work, and Bob knows Carl from a bar."

Except that the two Carl's are different. To further use this analogy, one of the Carl's definitely has a son, and the other does not.

"we might both have heard about how he went to school with a fella called Abraham back in the '70s"

And even then it turns out to be two different Abraham's.

And yes these are rather substantial differences.

jez said...

Dmarks: It's possible that either Bob or Alice could be unaware of Carl's son.

Point is the Muslims would say that the Christians worship a corrupt version of Abraham's God, and mainstream Christians reciprocate. For example, Catholics who subscribe to the Catechism believe that:

"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day"

emphasis mine.

Fred said...

“these profess” reads the same as “they claim”.
“with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day"
Along with Catholics, they say they believe there is one god who judges all of mankind. Not the same god but they agree it is just one.

jez said...

Fred: yes, what you express is that semantic squabble over the meaning of "same". There is no disagreement over anything important.

dmarks said...

jez said: "Point is the Muslims would say that the Christians worship a corrupt version of Abraham's God,"

But the Christian God is non-currupt. In fact, descriptions of his character preclude any corruption. Again, difference.

Leticia said...

Debbie, right. Muslims seem to get special privileges. Sad but true. No Jesus, but Allah is allowed in the schools.

DC, answer me this, if Muslims claim to worship Jehovah God, why not call Him, "Jehovah" not "Allah" and why do they not recognize the virgin birth of Jesus Christ or recognize the Holy Trinity? And recognize Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of God.

On your last two statements to statements to Cube, I am in full agreement.

You give so many details that seem to make sense, but you are missing the whole point.

Cube, as Debbie stated, I am sure it is happening everywhere, these people are from stupid and are stealthy moving through areas of our government. If there is one thing we as Christians should do is to "know our enemy." The Muslims certainly know and have studied theirs and are using it against them. It is spiritual battle, definitely not of the flesh.

Fred, spot-on! As usual. And I wanted to thank you for the update on the Amber Alert last night. I am sure you and the whole world has heard the horrid and tragic details of that poor mother's death.

Dmark,I am sure he will get around to saying or answering, or maybe he can't.

Ducky, so you would embrace Sharia, I take it? You should be concerned just like every other American. This has nothing to do with being Right-wing or Left-wing. Once again you have missed the whole point of our conversation here.

Jez, btw, since I spoke about latte's with you, I treated myself to a vanilla latte this afternoon, yummy.

Anyhoo, the Muslims may recognize Abraham, but they do not realize that Abraham believe Jehovah God is the God of the Jews. And furthermore, in order to be true believer, you have to faith and believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God, and in the Holy Trinity. Muslims do not recognize that. Which in turn, throws out DC's arguments.

Ducky's here said...

dmarks, you wouldn't know sharia if it bit your unit. In fact being an American it is unlikely that you even know there are multiple versions.

Now, in some communities Jews are allowed to bring cases to religious courts if both parties agree and it is pretty effective. Relieves the conventional court docket and there is less conflict over the verdict.

Sharia is an extremely similar system of civil torts. No big deal.

Meanwhile, Ohio makes a decision on prison meals, probably an economic decision and it's proof the caliphate is almost reconstituted.

There is some serious dumb going around the fringe right, snap out of it.

Lone Ranger said...

As usual, when presented with a moral choice, liberals come down on exactly the wrong side of the issue. Well, at least they're consistent.

Leticia said...

Ducky, think again.

LR, that's the truth. Can't argue with that sound logic.

Always On Watch said...

Jumah on a high school campus, particularly during school hours, is a clear violation of what has long been policy in public schools throughout America.

Schools in Northern Virginia have reached that point that they will not allow WW2 veterans to come in on Veterans Day to lead classes in the Pledge of Allegiance because "some of our student body might be offended as some students are not American citizens and some students do not believe in God." I kid you not! A WW2 veteran here was DISINVITED on Veterans Day a few years ago.

CAIR shouldn't even be allowed on high school campuses. Period.

Always On Watch said...

D Charles,
Schools here in the United States are to present information about various religions, but are not to take a position on those religions. However, of late, much more space in textbooks is now taken up with teaching about Islam; and activities for those units are clearly promotion of Islam over any other faith.

Christianity and Judaism are presented with warts and all. Islam -- not so much.

jez said...

Dmarks, fine so you believe that the Muslim God is corrupt, while yours is correct. (that's what I meant by "reciprocate", of course).

Leticia: the muslims believe that they worship the same God as Abraham, and they recognise the divine inspiration (later redacted) of the torah, psalms etc.

dmarks said...

Ducky said: "dmarks, you wouldn't know sharia if it bit your unit. "

Is there any evidence for this lame insult?

Ducky said: "In fact being an American it is unlikely that you even know there are multiple versions."

Being an American, I know there are many versions. And each one of them would violate the Constitution if it ended up connected to the legal system in any way.

"Now, in some communities Jews are allowed to bring cases to religious courts if both parties agree and it is pretty effective."

Is any government money going to these courts? Are the parties all free to opt out of it at any time?

"There is some serious dumb going around the fringe right, snap out of it."

Again you refer to the fringe right, a group which is not present in these discussions or even in discussions on the national policy level.

Liberalmann said...

I just love watching Ducky pwn dmarks.

Knuckledraggin said...

Don't worry, it's gonna be sooner rather than later.

dmarks said...

Liberalmann: "I just love watching Ducky pwn dmarks."

On what, specifically? Anyone can read that he got just about anything wrong, and me and others have corrected him.

christian soldier said...

we -US-fought our first war guess w/ whom--
against the barbary pirates (muslims) -who were taking US ships and crews hostage even though the new US was paying "tribute" of 20% of our GDP to them-(muslims)-
Shores of Tripoli-comes to mind--
Nothing changes-
Carol-CS

Leticia said...

AOW, I cannot believe that! How incredibly rude and insulting to any veteran, who risked their lives to keep this nation and for what because some foreigner would get offended??! Bloody hell! If they don't like it, they can pack up their crap up and the heck out of this country. And if they don't want to hear the pledge of Allegiance, too bad. Deal with it. Oh,this really ticked me off.

Jez, they do not accept the Virgin Birth nor do they recognize the Holy Trinity, otherwise, they would have to acknowledge that Jesus is the Son of Jehovah God. And Mohammad was no where in the picture.

KD, that's something we all should be concerned about.

Carol, precisely.

Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Very simple.

Because Christianity represents the old, bad, staid past.

And Islam is new and different and in contravention to the old, bad, staid past.

Let there be no mistake:

ISLAM IS AS ISLAM DOES.

And Islam, as practiced, is an evil religion, naught more than a Death Cult.

It is practiced by the barbaric, the ignorant, the brain dead, the misogynists, embracing Shariah Law.

Two books to read IMMEDIATELY in order to divine the truth:

1. THE CLOSED CIRCLE by David Pryce-Jones

2. THE ARAB MIND by Raphael Patai

When Muslims tell you, up front and in the clear, that you can convert or they'll kill you -- that's called a clue.

BZ

jez said...

Leticia:
Muslims believe in the Virgin Birth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_%28sura%29

Leticia said...

Jez, but they do not recognize Jesus Christ and the Son nor do they believe He is the only way to salvation. They see him as a prophet. I'll check that link out.

Silver, noted and I will see if my library has either books. Thanks a bunch!

And seriously, everyone, sorry for my typos, lol! I do it all of the time. Hey! I am only human.

jez said...

"they do not recognize Jesus Christ and the Son nor do they believe He is the only way to salvation."

That's right. On these points, they believe you are mistaken about Allah.

Different qualities, same backstory. Both of you are right, for slightly different (but both common) usages of the word "same".

Leticia said...

Jez, that's one thing I really like about you. You see both sides and you are not hateful in your remarks, for that, I thank you.

Right Wing Theocrat said...

Christians and Jews don't get violent and start killing and assaulting people, muslims not so much, that's why a lot of these public officials are so open and spineless to them.

Leticia said...

MK, precisely correct my friend and welcome back!