Sunday, April 1, 2012

“Kill George Zimmerman!”

I was going to stay out this whole Trayvon Martin and Zimmerman case, but decided I would put my two-cents in.


First of all, I believe that it is up to the courts to decide the fate of Zimmerman. With new information coming out, it appears that Zimmerman was acting in self-defense. He was going back into his vehicle when Martin approached him and asked if there was  a problem,? And Zimmerman replied there wasn't.  This was from a an eye witness. At that point, Martin jumped Zimmerman and punched him in the nose, and began to bang his head on the ground or rather concrete. According to the witness, Zimmerman began to yell for help and the witness ran upstairs to call 911.


Okay, that's what I have heard so far from different websites and news media. I cannot give you links to them all, because I have been perusing so many of them I lost track.


NBC  edited the 911 call from Zimmerman.  Shocking, well, not really we are talking about NBC .






Thanks to media biased and with the aid of a sensationalism media and racial agitators such as Obama, of course, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and so forth have already found this man guilty. And are responsible for the vile response of hate and wanting this man dead, whom I believe is innocent. I believe he was fighting for his life and used his gun to shoot his attacker.  
And to clear things up, this man is NOT white. He is a Hispanic man who grew up in a mulitracial family. This was not a hate crime.  And a white person was not involved.
The threats have escalated that there is a bounty by The New Black Panther Party and being backed up by celebrities and athletes, the bounty was up for $10,000 but possibly going up to a million dollars, they want him alive or dead.
This has sparked such a hate between races that I am not surprised that some poor Hispanic kid was beaten in retaliation regarding this horrible, horrible case.
STORY SOURCE
7 California boys arrested in attack on teen
Mar 30, 2012 at 10:20 PM PDT - PALMDALE, Calif. (AP) - Seven black teens have been arrested on suspicion that they committed a hate crime when they attacked a 15-year-old Hispanic boy while he was walking home from school in Southern California, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office.
The March 14 beating in Palmdale was captured on video and posted on YouTube, but has since been removed from the site. The seven boys, ages 13 to 16, were arrested Wednesday for investigation of assault and committing a hate crime, Lt. Don Ford said...
This is my whole take. I believe that a person has every right to protect themselves, with force, if necessary, to survive. Clearly, or in my opinion, Zimmerman feared for his life and used his weapon to stop his assailant. It was kill or be killed, what you would do if someone was banging your head on the concrete?  Hand them a flower and tell them stop?
Think about it this way. What if it was a woman being attacked and she used her concealed weapon to kill her assailant, would we be having this discussion at all?  How did she know this person wasn't armed?  Zimmerman had no idea if Martin was armed or was going to pummel him to death?  He did what he had to do to survive.
Right now, no one honestly knows what occurred on that fateful day and it is not up to us to be judge, jury and executioner. 
The MSM should be ashamed and held accountable for what they have caused by sensationalizing this case.

69 comments:

Jersey McJones said...

Well, Leticia, I thank you for reminding us of just how violent, and violently tribal, we Americans can be. The Zimmerman case is interesting because of the unusual circumstances, intents and laws, but it's a shame it takes some weird happenstance to get us to pay attention to the ridiculous violence we have in this country.

I mean, look at some of our entertainment! No, boxing isn't violent enough, we have to have "ultimate fighting," or whatever it's called. Extreme Crotch Punching is next, mark my words.

Anyways...

If Zimmerman hadn't followed this kid, none of this would have happened, and we know the kid wasn't up to no good. Martin wasn't tailing Zimmerman, Leticia. Other way around.

Now, if I was seventeen, walking down the street, talking to my girlfriend on the phone, bringing home candy for my brother, and I noticed some weird dude surveying and following me, talking into a phone, I might start thinking to myself, "What am I going to do to get away from this guy and this situation?"

Running is not always an option in the mind of a young man. Sometimes when we're young, we think it's best to confront. I know that sounds counter-intuitive, especially from a "liberal" like me, but remember, I may be a liberal, but I'm not a wuss. Most liberals are not wusses either. Some conservatives just like to pretend they are. I guess it makes them feel better about their own security issues.

Anyways, when I was a kid, if some guy checked me out the way Zimmerman did this kid, I might have tried to confront him if I thought I had the chance to have an upper hand - to surprise him, and to see if he was a cop, or something else.

Now, if this kid did attack him - and Zimmerman did not look like a strong seventeen year old kid kicked his butt - and Zimmerman did shoot in self-defense - and Zimmerman had no visible signs of a close shooting - then the kid would have essentially killed himself by his actions.

But, if Zimmerman simply shot the kid because the kid was asserting his rights and wondering why Zimmerman was making trouble for him, then Zimmerman committed murder, thinking he could get away with it by calling the cops and observing that stupid version of the Castle Doctrine we have down here in America's legal septic outlet, Florida.

Just remind your kids - you see someone following you, checking you out - run for help, and DO NOT confront them. Ya' never know who you're dealing with.

JMJ

christian soldier said...

never do hear about the white kids brutalized by black gangs-
PC reigns-
Sad-
Wonder who wins by the constant fomenting of raaaaace--
http://carolmsblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-racial-conflicts.html
I used to write longer tomes :-)

BTW-swiped the video idea from your post just below-
Carol-CS

dmarks said...

There is a black version of the KKK, called the new Black Panthers, which is offering a cash reward for people to commit violent felonies against Zimmerman.

The white version of the Klan, the KKK, probably wants to kill Trayvan's family or something. Who knows. White racists are such a minor force in this country that they can't grab media attention anymore

Ducky's here said...

Let's see, Lisa posts up a story of seven California boys ARRESTED for an assault and she doesn't get the contradiction here.

George Zimmerman who's daddy is a retired magistrate and whose mother is a court clerk is being shielded from arrest.

His story has been thoroughly punctured but no arrest.

He kills an adolescent for know reason. There is no proper investigation and in Lisa's sick gun loon world you're supposed to just let it go.

Well that ain't going to happen this time.

Silverfiddle said...

Ducky: It's Leticia. Can you read?

It all comes down to who engaged who in determining if it was a good shoot or not.

Patrolling one's own neighborhood is a legitimate activity, as is walking through a neighborhood. Somebody went after somebody and that is the crux of this.

Martin is dead, so Zimmerman is the only living person who knows what happened. My prediction is he gets off based upon his testimony, and Jesse Jackass and Al Simpleton start race riots, and a majority will conclude we "acted stupidly" in electing Barack Obama.

dmarks said...

Yeah, I was going to say... Ducky's gone off on a rant about Lisa, and this isn't even her post and she's not commented.

Free George Zimmerman! said...

3 words for George Zimmerman:

Damn. Fine. Shooting.

Jersey McJones said...

"Damn. Fine. Shooting."

What???

I can understand feeling sympathy for Zimmerman, I suppose, but to call what he did a "damn fine shooting" is a little weird.

JMJ

Leticia said...

Jersey, we are in complete and total agreement. In my neighborhood, which you are already know is very dangerous, we never let the boys out of our sight, ever. We have started bike riding together, and they are not allowed to ever be alone. The media promotes violence and sadly enough, most of my neighborhood is black and yes they wear the hoodies even in the summer, not to mention those vile hanging pants, oy vey!

At this point with the Zimmerman and Martin case, no one really knows the details. You wouldn't believe how many sites I visited just trying to figure who was telling the truth. I suppose we will never know, but a kid is dead and that is tragic.

Carol, swipe away my friend. I should have embedded it a bit smaller, but oh well.

Ducky, no one really knows what transpired between Zimmerman and Martin. As you can read, a witness claims that Martin attacked Zimmerman, etc. As for the poor Hispanic kid getting beat up, I blame the media and the hate they are causing between the races. This is getting way out of hand.

Silver, yes! Precisely. As I already pointed out I believe Zimmerman and Martin were fighting to death, or Martin intended to cause some serious bodily harm. We just don't know.

Dmarks, Zimmerman isn't even white, yet the media and the Black Panther's are out for Zimmerman's blood, who very well, could be innocent.

FGZ, if he is innocent I agree. I believe in self-defense and would never hesitate to protect myself or the lives of my children. It's a very unsettling case and I fear it is going to escalate with the bounty on Zimmerman's head. And welcome to my blog!

dmarks said...

Leticia: The white KKK hates anyone who is not white. Not surprising that the black KKK (Panthers) hates anyone who is not black.

Leticia said...

Dmarks, sad but so very true. Racism is an ugly word.

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lisa said...

I think you presented a fair assessment Leticia.
What bothers me is not only a 17 year old is dead, for however this went down, but that right away it was purposely made into a racial issue and the sad thing is if Zimmerman where black and Martin was white we wouldn't even be having this conversation.What's also amazing is that 49 percent of U.S. murder victims are black,and over 95 percent of them killed by other blacks thanks to the hellholes liberals created for them.. Innocent little children getting killed by stray bullets inside or outside their own homes. This is a really big problem
and the agitators don't seem to give a darn about them. All they care about is seeing who they can shake down for monetary gain.

Right Truth said...

I have no problem with a Special Prosecutor being assigned to investigate, but the fires have been so stoked by the Justice Brothers and the MSM that even when the facts are made public, I doubt they will accept them (unless Zimmerman is arrested and tried).

Debbie
Right Truth
http://www.righttruth.typepad.com

lisa said...

excellent point Debbie

Leticia said...

Lisa, precisely correct. How many black on black murders are there? Too many to count and the innocent victims, which, sadly are children are caught between the crossfire.

And what about the two British tourists that were murdered? Why isn't the MSM reporting on this? They deserve to have some attention as well.

Debbie, the only way this will pacify the racists and we all know who they are, is the death of Zimmerman. I believe for the rest of this man's life, he will be living in fear and for his family. He may even have to go under the witness protection program. If he is found guilty, he will be dead in days, of that, I have no doubt. The prisoners will make sure of that.

lisa said...

I heard the parents of those 2 British guys were very upset that the president didn't even offer them a condolence or an apology because he might of had to admit that the shooter would look like him if he had a son.
So much for one of our closest allies. But then again isn't almost every country our "closest ally" according to President Hope n' Change?

Leticia said...

Lisa, according to Obama they are. That video, what a huge embarrassment.

Free George Zimmerman! said...

Time for Sharpton, Farrakhan, and the other racial debris to head to that great big watermelon patch in the sky.

Malcolm said...

Based on the evidence that's coming out, it appears that if anything it should be Trayvon Martin who's protectedBased on the evidence that's coming out, it‘s looking worse for George Zimmerman. By the way, he’s Hispanic and white. For one thing, there was a 13 yr old eyewitness who doesn’t think the shooting was self defense. Also, the video tape of Zimmerman being taken into custody doesn’t support the claims that his nose was broken or that his head was banged into the concrete several times. Also, two voice and audio experts have come to the conclusion that the person screaming for help is not Zimmerman. The technology they used is 99% accurate.

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/?q=articles/news/the_black_diaspora_news/38591

Also, the funeral director who handled Martin’s body has reported there were no cuts or other marks on the teen's hands or elsewhere that would signal such a violent exchange.

As for NBC editing Zimmerman’s 911 call, that’s bush league journalism and there’s no defending it. However, Sean Hannity should be the last one to accuse someone of selective editing:

http://mediamatters.org/research/200907090005

I realize that MM is Kryptonite to some people in this thread, but facts are facts.

Leticia said:

“Thanks to media biased and with the aid of a sensationalism media and racial agitators such as Obama, of course, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and so forth have already found this man guilty.”

Please explain how President Obama, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson have been racial agitators in this case and how they’ve already found Zimmerman guilty.

What's sad is how this case has turned into a "left vs. right" issue. Once President Obama deemed the killing of Trayvon Martin and tragedy and offered his condolences to Trayvon‘s partents, the right-wing predictably jumped all over him. Even though he was careful not to comment on the specifics of the case, members of the right incorrectly felt that he was taking the side of Trayvon Martin. In their minds, whatever they feel President Obama supports, they will choose the opposite side.

Once George Zimmerman made the 911 call, his job was done. The dispatcher told him not to follow Martin. If he had listened, we wouldn't be talking about this. For all of those who feel Zimmerman was acting in self defense, put yourself in Trayvon’s shoes and consider this scenario: a man with a gun who is not a law enforcement official approaches you. Wouldn't you stand your ground and protect yourself? Ironically, it’s starting to look like Trayvon Martin was protecting himself under the "Stand Your Ground" law.

dmarks said...

Sadly, the more lawyers get involved with this, the less likely it will be that the truth will ever be known.

Leticia said...

Malcolm, The Rev. Al Sharpton will camp out with protesters in front of City Hall in Sanford, Fla., over Easter weekend as part of a nationwide call for the arrest of George Zimmerman, the volunteer neighborhood watch captain who shot 17-year old Trayvon Martin in February, he told ABC News.
“We’re going to have a full blown occupation of Sanford with tents and everything over Easter weekend until [authorities] either arrest George Zimmerman, or arrest us for praying for his arrest,” Sharpton said.
The civil rights leader and MSNBC talk show host said he’d be urging supporters of the cause across the country to wear “hoodies instead of Easter outfits to church on Easter Sunday.” Sharpton said he will camp out “from Good Friday through Easter Sunday.”

Rev. Jesse Jackson told the Sanford City Commission yesterday, “the whole world is watching Sanford.” “The whole world is watching Florida today,” in his demand that they city commissioners do their part to ensure shooter George Zimmerman is arrested. Then a line of speakers, including U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee.

Rev. Jesse Jackson called Trayvon Martin a “martyr” and compared his death to that of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., even suggesting that it could start a new round in the so-called war for civil rights.

Obama said, “My main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin… if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.

Question? Why aren't Obama, Sharpton and/or Jackson screaming for justice from all the precious black babies that are aborted?

Dmarks, I don't know how Zimmerman has a chance at a fair trial with how the media has handled this case.

Liberalmann said...

Wow, you mean you found a wacko who threatened Zimmerman? Good for you!! He was probably a scary...liberal!!!
Big effin' deal. The biggest wacko here is the one who pulled the trigger.

Liberalmann said...

Free George Zimmerman! said..."Time for Sharpton, Farrakhan, and the other racial debris to head to that great big watermelon patch in the sky."

Yup, give winguts enough time and a little bit of rope and eventually someone will spew the racist drivel they're all thinking. THANKS, idiot!

Jersey McJones said...

Guys, I know Sanford, and yes, it's the caricature you've been shown.

In the end, something interesting should come of this. We shouldn't be too presumptive. Just wait and see.

Personally, I hope it will force some people to think more carefully about some of these new "Second Amendment" laws. Don't get carried away there, trigger! But I doubt it. People love the ability to kill one another without exerting personal superior force. Guns.

JMJ

lisa said...
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lisa said...

Malcolm I heard the report on the voice expert and it is 99% accurate but the results are claiming it to be a 48% chance it was Zimmerman. Anyway none of us know anything yet but as Debbie mentioned if he gets arrested and evidence shows he's not guilty you will see unprecedented rioting stirred up by the shakedown shyster himself Reverend Al Sharpton.
And I believe if Zimmerman was in custody from the beginning the agitators would be organizing in front of that court bldg until they were happy with the verdict they wanted.
So I believe he will be convicted based solely on the pressure they are getting or what the reaction will be. I believe that's why OJ got off.
Look what Sharpton did in Crown Heights. He got people killed.
I think people should be organizing against him.
The s--- stirrer is working for the MSNBC White house and FOX wouldn't allow Hannity to speak a Tea Party even. Because again of the hissy fit the left would have been throwing.

Malcolm said...

Leticia: The reason is because they (President Obama, Sharpton, and Jackson) are pro-choice advocates. With that being said, I think it's pointless to chide them for their pro-choice views in this thread because that's a separate issue from the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case.

The statements you provided made by Sharpton and Jackson only illustrate how they are working to ensure justice is served and/or how they feel this could be a pivotal moment in civil rights history. However, none of this backs up your accusation that they are racial agitators who have already found Zimmerman guilty. All Sharpton and Jackson are calling for is Zimmerman's arrest... not his conviction.

The sentence you included from President Obama's comments on the shooting only illustrate that he was affected personally by it. What's wrong with that? Think of it as his "I feel your pain" moment. However, the sentence you included sounded to me like a brief sidebar to what his main message to Trayvon Martin's parents really was. Right after that he said the following:

"I think [Trayvon's parents] are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened."

Again, how is President Obama being a racial agitator who has already found Zimmerman guilty?

One thing I've noticed about some on the right is that they can't stand it when blacks speak out about instances of racial injustice. Why?

I say some on the right because Joe Scarborough in particular showed guts in speaking out about the racial overtones of this case when he said:

“If anybody watching this show — either live or on the Internet — doesn’t believe that if an African-American shot a 17-year-old white boy walking through a neighborhood carrying ice tea and Skittles…if they do not believe that an arraignment would be scheduled by the next morning for the African-American shooter and that the white boy’s family would be called immediately…that an office would actually drive to the white boy’s home and sit down with the parents on the couch and console them because they have lost a 17-year-old son. If you don’t believe that this case and the handling of this case by the people in Florida has nothing to do with race, you are living in a fantasy world.”


Also, for all who feel Zimmerman was acting in self defense, what are your thoughts on the latest evidence in the case I included in my first comment?

Malcolm said...

Lisa: The 48% stat you cited is a fair point. Still, that's not a strong argument in favor of Zimmerman doing the screaming. I just find it hard to believe that Zimmerman would be screaming since it was HE who had the gun.

It almost sounds as if you would like for there to be rioting. That way, you'd be justified in your criticism of Al Sharpton. If you don't watch his show, maybe you should because he has been clear in saying that he does not want any violence to erupt over this case.

You feel Zimmerman will be convicted based solely on the pressure they are getting or what the reaction will be. So, you don't think any of the evidence which casts doubt on Zimmerman's story is good enough?

Your comment about the "MSNBC" White House is hilarious. I'll bet you had no problem when some of the Fox people were reading GOP talking points on-air during and after the Bush administration.

Malcolm said...

One other thing Lisa. You've voiced your displeasure because President Obama hasn't commented on the British tourists who were killed recently. Are you implying that he only speaks out on cases involving a black victim?

Right Wing Theocrat said...

From what I'm reading Zimmerman was simply defending himself against his attacker and the media have been pushing a racist and hate-fill campaign against Zimmerman based on nothing more than their yearning to find a racist whitey, somewhere, anywhere.

The old liberal mob mentality, in summary.

Right Wing Theocrat said...

Here's a link by the way -
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_despicable_framing_of_george_zimmerman_3/

lisa said...

"One other thing Lisa. You've voiced your displeasure because President Obama hasn't commented on the British tourists who were killed recently. Are you implying that he only speaks out on cases involving a black victim?"

No Malcolm ,well yeah maybe a little,but why wouldn't he speak out against both sides? The reason I wrote that is because it was the parents of those victims who were upset about the "non-response". from the president.
I was merely trying to show the contrast. The media too is complicit to keep the race card alive and while you will never fully have no racism anywhere in the world, there are truly problems they refuse to address about what is going on in the black communities.
I don't know what the solution is for that but if the media would show it more and at least act like it's a problem then maybe we wouldn't have as much of this discourse if they were a little more fair on what they report. I just don't like the way they pick and choose based on politics.
CNN did an hour special on racism which is noble but lets' try and expose some real deep seeded problems that are getting young people and Innocent children killed on a daily basis and by other young people.
It's bad enough that someone of a different color cannot walk through a neighborhood of the opposite color without the threat of violence(yes it works both ways),but what about stepping out of your own front door or simply just being on your own couch? Nobody wants gun laws but then who are the ones who will have all the guns,the criminals?
I would love to hear you opinion on this and if you have any suggestions on why this is going on and lastly how has the democrat party that the African American community keep voting for have been helping this ongoing serious issue?

Leticia said...

Jersey agreed.

Malcolm, you are correct about that, however, they are pushing to arrest a man who hasn't even gone to trial. And they are screaming racism when now it has come out that Zimmerman

Honestly, we keep hearing more and about the struggle between the two. But the thing is NO ONE really knows what transpired. And at this point. I still believe it was in self-defense and what's worse a kid was killed. Two lives have been destroyed and the families of the both victims are paying the price.

READ THIS, I just heard about it today everyone...

“You will recall the incident of the beating of the black homeless man Sherman Ware on December 4, 2010 by the son of a Sanford police officer. The beating sparked outrage in the community but there were very few that stepped up to do anything about it. I would presume the inaction was because of the fact that he was homeless not because he was black. Do you know the individual who stepped up when no one else in the black community would? Do you know who spent tireless hours putting flyers on the cars of persons parked in the churches of the black community? Do you know who waited for the church-goers to get out of church so that he could hand them flyers in an attempt to organize the black community against this horrible miscarriage of justice? Do you know who helped organize the City Hall meeting on January 8, 2011 at Sanford City Hall?? That person was GEORGE ZIMMERMAN.” – from a letter to Turner Clayton of the Seminole County NAACP written by “a concerned Zimmerman family member”

dmarks said...

I don't find anything offensive at all in OBama's comments re Trayvan, his own son, etc.

But the context of it makes the President look pretty bad, and an opportunist.

Murders happen all the time in Detroit, of other young people with such promise. But apparently there is no political advantage for the President to campaing on these deaths.

lisa said...

Do you know who helped organize the City Hall meeting on January 8, 2011 at Sanford City Hall?? That person was GEORGE ZIMMERMAN.” – from a letter to Turner Clayton of the Seminole County NAACP written by “a concerned Zimmerman family member”

wow Leticia why are we not hearing about this? That is unbelievable that this is being kept secret? . Also George Zimmerman had been mentoring 2 young black teens another bigoted fact the media is hiding....except Faux News,but don't tell that to Liberals,it doesn't fit their narrative.

Malcolm said...

Lisa: Your implication that President Obama only speaks out about black victims doesn't measure up to reality. After all, he did speak at the Tuscon memorial last year and none of the victims in that tragedy were black. Also, he recently spoke about the murder of teacher Melissa Jenkins:

http://www.wcax.com/story/17298100/president-offers-condolences-to-friends-family-of-melissa-jenkins

I'm just wondering if you and all the other conservatives here have held previous presidents to such a high standard when it comes to them commenting on murders in this country.

I won't deny that the media plays up stories with racial angles. However, I think it's a matter of them giving a large portion of the public what it wants. Ask yourself this: If Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman were black, do you think that murder case would have gotten as much coverage as it did?

I don't want to get too far off into the weeds, but I do think there should be stricter gun laws. However, I am not calling for an all-out ban on them.

By the way, it's the Democratic party NOT the Democrat party. Although the Democratic party is far from perfect, I think you are kidding yourself if you are giving a pass to the Republicans when it comes to the social ills of this country.

Also, it isn't just Fox who has mentioned that George Zimmerman has mentored black teens. MSNBC among others have reported on this as well.

Leticia: If one of your sons was murdered under the same circumstances as Trayvon, wouldn't you want the killer arrested? One reason people are accusing Zimmerman of racism is because of the 911 call in which it sounds like he uses the racial slur "f****** coons". I'm not saying for sure that's what Zimmerman said, but it does cast some doubt on what his motives may have been in the shooting.

The letter you included from “a concerned Zimmerman family member” is interesting to say the least. However, I would like to hear from churchgoers, City Hall officials, etc. who can confirm this family member's claims before I buy this story.

dmarks: Do you expect President Obama to comment on every murder that happens in this country? To say that he's campaigning on Trayvon's shooting is a stretch. President Obama was giving a press conference on the World Bank when he was asked about the Trayvon Martin story so it wasn't like he was reading a prepared speech. As I said to Lisa earlier, I wonder if you hold previous presidents to such a high standard when it comes to them commenting on murders in this country.

dmarks said...

Malcolm said: "By the way, it's the Democratic party NOT the Democrat party."

It is indeed. Just as the Republican party is the part of capital-R Republicans, the Democrat party is the party of capital-D Democrats.

"Do you expect President Obama to comment on every murder that happens in this country? "

Of course not. He can comment on them all at once. But instead this is one of those issues that burns out of control for months or years while being ignored by the White House. Afghanistan (he waited until 2010) and jobs (he has ignored the problem) being others.

"I wonder if you hold previous presidents to such a high standard when it comes to them commenting on murders in this country."

I do. But I learn it isn't best to hold Pres. Obama to high standards, as he usually does so badly, "amateur hour", befitting of the least qualified Democrat candidate from 2008, a man with an undisguished laxy national and state Senate career, a man who was too often too lazy to vote. Nut boy, he sure is slick, good at reading prepared speeches, and a great orator.

dmarks said...

Malcolm said: "One reason people are accusing Zimmerman of racism is because of the 911 call in which it sounds like he uses the racial slur "f****** coons"."

If Zimmerman did say this, then of course it would indicate a hate problem on his part toward blacks. Exactly like when Rahm Emanual referred to the mentally disabled as "f******" retards, when he held this group of 14 million Americans up as so bad and awful that the worst thing he could do to insult some fellow liberals he disagreed with was to equate them with this group he so despised.

Obama didn't fire Emanuel from his White House job after Emenual blasted 14 million disabled Americans in such a vicious fashion. He just kept praising Emanuel and kept handing him massive amounts of tax dollars to reward him for his job. Just another example of how Obama can only live up to very low expectations.

Jersey McJones said...

dmarks, are you a moral vacuum, or what? How is what Emanuel said "exactly" like what Zimmerman said. Emanuel didn't point the derogatory at the mentally disabled. he used it as the popular expression that it is, whether you like it or not, to refer to something or someone as stupid.

I know you are hyper-sensitive about that slur, but I've probably heard it thousands of times in my life, from the school yard to college to the docks to corporate America. At every level! Yet I don't think I've ever actually heard it used to bash actually retarded people.

What is your issue with that that expression? I mean, I know it's low brow and guttural, and yes, I've been guilty of using it myself, but it's certainly not the same as actually condemning a group of people.

In other words, if you think Rahm Emanuel "hates" retarded people, then you are stupid. And you're also annoyingly PC and Puritanical. Chill out, you loony.

JMJ

Leticia said...

Malcolm, God forbid if something horrid happened to any of my children. And as a mother, of course, I would want justice. However, if I knew it was my son that started the crime and ended in his death, God help me, but I would forgive Zimmerman.

Malcolm Bondon said...

dmarks: It's called the Democratic party and you should know that. The "Democrat" tag is a dig used by some on the right. I shouldn't have even addressed Lisa's use of the term "Democrat" party because it didn't bother me.

You said:

"I do. But I learn it isn't best to hold Pres. Obama to high standards, as he usually does so badly, "amateur hour", befitting of the least qualified Democrat candidate from 2008, a man with an undisguished laxy national and state Senate career, a man who was too often too lazy to vote. Nut boy, he sure is slick, good at reading prepared speeches, and a great orator."

If what you said about President Obama is true, it's even more pathetic that your side lost the 2008 election! I've heard all the excuses as to why John McCain lost the election so you don't need to rehash them. The fact of the matter is, he lost!

If the crack about President Obama being good at reading prepared speeches is yet another teleprompter joke, come on man... that's so 2008! At least he can read a teleprompter... not like his predecessor.

I won't bother addressing your comparison of what Zimmerman might have said with Rahm Emanuel's comments. Jersey did a good job of pointing out that it's false equivalency.

Leticia: Are you completely sure Trayvon Martin started the crime? Isn't it possible he was defending himself against an armed man who was following him and had no business doing so?

Leticia said...

Malcolm, as I have said previously, no one knows what happened, it is only my opinion and from the witness reports that tell me that Martin attacked him from behind. We just will never know.

dmarks said...

Malcolm said; "The "Democrat" tag is a dig used by some on the right."

How is it a dig?

"If what you said about President Obama is true, it's even more pathetic that your side lost the 2008 election! "

It's definitely true. But the empty suit with a good smile won because he had better campaign organization.

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Jersey said: "Emanuel didn't point the derogatory at the mentally disabled"

He did. He called them fu**ing retards. That it is 'popular' has nothing to do with anything. Saying the N word used to be popular too.

"What is your issue with that that expression? I mean, I know it's low brow and guttural, and yes, I've been guilty of using it myself, but it's certainly not the same as actually condemning a group of people."

Because it IS actually condemning a group of people. 14 million Americans with mental disabilities that Rahm Emanuel hates. Just like if you bash people by comparing them to ni**ers, you are condemning African-Americans.

"n other words, if you think Rahm Emanuel "hates" retarded people, then you are stupid."

No, it means I am informed on this issue.

"And you're also annoyingly PC and Puritanical. Chill out, you loony."

PC is one thing. Using extremely nasty hate speech is another. But you seem to hardly know the difference, as you think it is OK to use the fa**ot word to bash gays.

Is it really so hard to talk about matters without bashing people using the worst possible words? Come on, bashing the mentally disabled as "fu**ing retards" goes away beyond any matter of PC.

If anything is loony, it is your insistence on denying that Rahm Emanuel calling these poeple fu**ig retards was not hateful.

Malcolm, I'm curious about your take on this part. Jersey thinks it is OK to bash gays by falling them fa**ots. Do you agree?

dmarks said...

Also, Jersey said: "I know you are hyper-sensitive about that slur, but I've probably heard it thousands of times in my life, from the school yard to college to the docks to corporate America. At every level! Yet I don't think I've ever actually heard it used to bash actually retarded people."

Actually, you are contradicting yourself. Every time it is being said, it is being used to bash the mentally disabled.

Just like when you bash people as fa**ots (which you like to do), it is hate against gays. Because it presents gays as a really awful group of people, and thus it is a really bad insult to to be compared to them.

No, I am not hypersensitive at all. Calling people fu**ing retards, the N-word, or faggots is way way out of line in any context.

Bob said...

Leticia: Good post and good comments. I am late to the party, as usual, but so far I have only one problem with the commenters.

From what planet does Malcolm come?

Here it is Thursday, and the thread began on Monday. Since then, we have learned that CBS edited the 911 tape presentation to try to make Zimmerman look and sound racist. CBS lied.

In ABC's video presentation, it has been shown that the producers placed their on screen info and logo to hide the marks on the back of Zimmerman's head. ABC lied.

It is that these news outlets do not have professional journalists writing, editing, and producing their presentations. The fact is that they want people to believe the narrative that white people are bad and the United States is a racist country.

If they can succeed in their narrative of our nation being racist and bad, then their logic leads to the idea that capitalism is bad, and should be abandoned.

Maybe I am wrong, but I would entertain any reasonable idea for the blatant distortions that many of the main stream media present.

dmarks said...

Bob: it was NBC that fabricated the racist 9-11 recording, not CBS. CBS is at least as bad: they knowingly stood by a hoax that Dan Rather fabricated that Bush went AWOL... with forged documents made with Microsoft Word that they claimed came from the early 1970's.

Ducky's here said...

Hey Bob, can you or the retard dmarks explain why Zimmerman is described as having "gashes" on his head yet there is no scabbing, no bandages, no sutures, nothing.

I know that nothing strikes a fringe right winger as suspicious because you aren't capable of though, just parroting the rabies radio line but give it a try.

The analysis of the 911 indicate that it is not Zimmerman's voice screaming.

Sorry but you are going to be able to pull a Breitfart with this one.

Leticia said...

Bob, you are right, but some people, not all, refuse to hear the new facts and evidence. I stand by my opinion.

Ducky, there is evidence that Zimmerman was injured, but the facts were covered up. Do the research, don't just look at what we say.

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Malcolm Bondon said...

dmarks: In answer to your question, here is a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_%28phrase%29

Until Chris Matthews pointed it out to a guest on his show a few years ago, I didn't know the term "Democrat party" was an insult used by some on the right. As I said, I should have let Lisa's use of the term slide because it doesn't bother me.

In regards to President Obama you said:

"It's definitely true. But the empty suit with a good smile won because he had better campaign organization."

Excuses, excuses. As for the so-called "empty suit", he filled the suit out rather nicely when he announced that under his leadership Osama bin Laden had been killed. This was accomplished in just over two years of President Obama taking office. His predecessor had nearly a decade to get bin Laden but couldn't!

I don't want to keep going back and forth about President Obama's qualifications since that's not what this post is about. All it's done so far is allowed me to point out the weakness of the GOP. As for your question to me about Jersey bashing gays, no I don't think it's OK to do that. However, when/where did Jersey do this?

Malcolm Bondon said...

If you're going to call me out Bob, get your facts straight. For one thing, as dmarks pointed out, it was NBC not CBS who edited the 911 call. Also, I already condemned NBC's actions earlier in this thread. If you have a problem with anything else I've said so far in this thread, lay it on me.

As for ABC News lying to cover-up Zimmerman's injuries, do you have a credible link to back that up? I did find a clip of ABC News airing enhanced video which shows a mark or gash on the back of Zimmerman's head:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/abc-news-airs-enhanced-george-zimmerman-video-finds-possible-head-gash/

I view all news media with a critical eye. Even when it's the so-called "liberal" media, I'll criticize them when they lie and distort. What kills me is when conservatives turn a blind eye or remain silent when Fox is guilty of the same thing. Earlier, I pointed out Sean Hannity's hypocrisy in calling out NBC for selective editing and all I heard was crickets.

Also Bob (or anyone else who wants to answer), what are your thoughts about the right-wing's smear campaign against Trayvon Martin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fezcs9ytrQo

Let's get back to the video of Zimmerman. Although it looks to me as if he did suffer injuries to the back of his head, what about his alleged broken nose. Also, Zimmerman doesn't appear to be one head blow away from (as his brother said) "wearing diapers for the rest of his life and being spoon fed by his brother".

Here are some questions for the supporters of Zimmerman:

Are you at least a little skeptical over the lack of bandages on his face?

If his injuries were so severe, do you think he would have been able to walk unassisted the way he did in the video?

dmarks said...

Malcolm: yes credit where credit is due. Obama used information from the effective interrogration which happened under Bush, along with other advantages handed to him. Good decision by Obama. And Obama deserves credit also for not appeasing the pro-terrorist Kucinich wing of his base: he broke the bad promise to close Gitmo.

As for Matthews and the Democrat Party... did his leg tingle when he talked about it?

As for my other criticisms of Preisdent Obama, he also deservces credit for policies such as the stimulus waste. When faced with a jobs problem, he pushed for this purely political payoff to well-off already employed union 'workers' while passing Obamacare and other regulations to discourage hiring and encouraging companies to lay people off. The result? 20% increase in unemployment after he took office. He is still at war against American jobs: see his recent actions against coal, and his push to raise gas taxes to result in layoffs by oil companies as well as higher prices at the pump.

Malcolm Bondon said...

Since dmarks asked me about something Jersey allegedly said about gay people, I have a question for all the conservatives in this thread. Do you approve of the comment left earlier in this thread on April 2 at 6:33 PM by "Free George Zimmerman"? In case you missed it, here it is:

"Time for Sharpton, Farrakhan, and the other racial debris to head to that great big watermelon patch in the sky."

Not only is the comment racist, but it wishes for the deaths of people with whom FGZ disagrees. Regardless of how one feels about Sharpton, Farrakhan, et al., I don't see how anyone can condone Free George Zimmerman's comments.

Malcolm Bondon said...

dmarks: You are really getting off topic now. The stimulus, President Obama's alleged war on jobs, etc. have absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about here.

dmarks said...

Malcolm: You were the one who brought up Bin laden for example. IS going off-topic only OK if you do this?

I wonder what Leticia thinks. It's her blog.

dmarks said...

Malcolm asked about this quote ""Time for Sharpton, Farrakhan, and the other racial debris to head to that great big watermelon patch in the sky."

It was as out of line as anything I've seen here. I would have expected Leticia to delete this, considering her rules.

Leticia said...

Malcolm, it's okay. I welcome open debates even if it's my blog. But I thank you for the kind consideration.

I am not one to censure anyone's comments, we are all adults and quite capable of controlling ourselves.

Liberalmann said...

The Trayvon Martin slaying reminds us of gated communities where wealth and privilege fear being attacked and so defend themselves with their own armed zealots and Stand Your Ground laws. But wealth and privilege and the capitalist economy that brings that opportunity to some, fear essentially injustice. When the opportunities for wealth or a decent standard of living are denied to many, especially by race, the “pain in the heart” of that unfairness can, like the dream in Langston Hughes’ poem, “explode.”

Liberalmann said...

The Trayvon Martin slaying reminds us of gated communities where wealth and privilege fear being attacked and so defend themselves legally with Stand Your Ground laws and lethally with guns. But wealth and privilege, and the capitalist economy that brings that opportunity to some, fear essentially injustice. When the opportunities for wealth or a decent standard of living are denied to many, especially by race, the “pain in the heart” of that unfairness can, like the dream in Langston Hughes’ poem, “explode.”

Malcolm Bondon said...

dmarks: Let me rephrase what I said. What I should have said is that I have no interest in talking about President Obama's alleged war on jobs, etc. in this thread. My original comment made it sound as if I was trying to police this blog and that wasn't my intention.

Although I brought up bin Laden, it was only in response to something you had said. I asked if you hold previous presidents to such a high standard when it comes to them commenting on murders in this country. You took that as an opportunity to take potshots at President Obama's record.

Leticia: Is your last comment a response to what I said to dmarks or my comment about what Free George Zimmerman wrote?

dmarks said...

"....explode"

Liberalmann is justifying the greed (theft) and violence of those who choose to react in inexcusable ways.

Leticia said...

Malcolm, I was responding that you were concerned about keeping a debate going on without me, and I told you that I didn't mind it all.

No big deal. This is the place to debate, so to speak. I do read everything, but if my opinion isn't really needed I won't interfere in the ongoing conversation.

Leticia said...

LibM, believe it or not I do find it kind of like a slap in your face kind of thing when you see gated communities, of huge homes, where some can only dream of having.

For myself, if I were to ever win the lottery, I wish, I don't believe I would change up much of my lifestyle. I don't believe in buying expensive purses, cars or clothing to show to others.

The only thing, I would buy a larger home to fit my family and a new vehicle so I wouldn't have to keep putting hundreds of dollars fixing my old one.

I would help my family and my church.

But to show off how rich you are, nope, that's just not me.

I could careless about designer clothing and name brand items.

If that was the point you were making. I agree.

dmarks said...

Malcolm asked: "I asked if you hold previous presidents to such a high standard when it comes to them commenting on murders in this country."

I do if they start commenting on individual murders. Then it is fair to wonder if the person is being Presidential, or just playing politics. What makes them comment on some murders and not others?

Malcolm Bondon said...

Leticia: My concern wasn't with me and dmarks engaging in a debate without you. Although it would have been within your right (after all, it's your blog), I didn't expect you to weigh in on the back-and-forth between dmarks and myself.

I was disappointed that you didn't renounce the comment by Free George Zimmerman in which they said:

"Time for Sharpton, Farrakhan, and the other racial debris to head to that great big watermelon patch in the sky."

Even worse than the racist sentiment was the fact that FGZ wished death upon those with whom they disagree. As you said in your last comment to me, you read everything. Whether you intended to or not, your lack of a response to FGZ could lead one to believe you support their rhetoric. Although dmarks and I have had many disagreements, I give him credit for stepping up and condemning the comments by FGZ.

Conservatives often complain about being unfairly labeled as racist. To a certain degree, conservatives have a legit beef. However, you guys don't do yourselves any favors when you turn a blind eye to racist comments such as the one made by FGZ.

Malcolm Bondon said...

dmarks asked: "What makes them comment on some murders and not others?"

Some on the right have falsely suggested that President Obama injected himself into the Trayvon Martin controversy. Keep in mind that his comments about the Trayvon Martin shooting were only made in response to a question he was asked. At the end of his announcement of his nomination for the new head of the World Bank. President Obama was asked specifically about the shooting, so he gave a brief statement, period... end of story.

Ironically, the people complaining about President Obama's brief comments about the shooting are the ones who are playing politics.

Leticia said...

Malcolm, because I didn't comment doesn't mean I agree with it. As I have stated....everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, I do believe in capital punishment. Sharpton and his like will have to one day answer for the violence they have caused and stirred up with their hateful and racist remarks.

I don't condone it. But I believe like most of us FGZ is furious that an innocent, which I believe is, is being hunted down like some kind of rabid dog. Do I condone the death of Sharpton and his fellow haters, no. But there are times I would love to put some duct tape on some of them. Violence has never been the answer.

As for Obama, why just this case? How many aborted babies have been Black, what about that British couple that asked for an apology, what about that Black man Zimmerman was trying to get justice for.

Obama opened up that can worms and deserves the firestorm he started by opening his big mouth.

Malcolm Bondon said...

Leticia: I didn't believe you were condoning FGZ's comments. However, I think you didn't respond because you were reluctant to call out someone on your side. From what I've seen, you respond to all comments unless they are specifically addressed to someone else. If a liberal had said the same thing as FGZ except they directed their comments at Allen West and Herman Cain, I find it hard to believe you would have taken an "everyone is entitled to their opinion" stance and let it slide. FGZ can be furious all they want. However, that's no excuse for what they said.

“Sharpton and his like will have to one day answer for the violence they have caused and stirred up with their hateful and racist remarks.”

I feel the same way about Glenn Beck and others like him.

"As for Obama, why just this case? How many aborted babies have been Black, what about that British couple that asked for an apology, what about that Black man Zimmerman was trying to get justice for."

The anger by you and others on the right at what President Obama said about the Trayvon Martin shooting is just another example of Obama Derangement Syndrome. President Obama was asked a question about the Trayvon Martin shooting. It was at the end of his announcement regarding the World Bank. It's not like he held a press conference to specifically comment on the case. He also didn’t make any judgment on the guilt or innocence of Trayvon Martin or George Zimmerman. In fact, he didn’t even mention Zimmerman. Outside of it being President Obama who made the comments, what specifically upset you about what he said?

Also, this isn't the only killing on which he has commented. While giving a speech in VT last month, he made some brief remarks about the murder of VT teacher Melissa Jenkins:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij0LAPuekK0&feature=related

The right-wing noise machine didn’t make a big deal about this because they knew it destroys the false meme that President Obama only comments on racially tinged incidents.

As I said before, President Obama is a pro-choice advocate. For him to do what you want, he’d have to change his stance on abortion. That’s not to say that he or any other pro-choice advocate emits cheers of joy whenever a woman has an abortion.

As for the British tourists who were murdered here in the U.S., I’m sure President Obama would have commented on it if asked. Again, he didn’t go out of his way to inject himself into the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman story. A reporter asked him a question and he answered it.

In regards to your question about the Black man Zimmerman was trying to get justice for, I’m assuming you’re talking about the homeless man (Sherman Ware) who was beaten by the son of a Sanford police officer. If you think President Obama should have commented on this beating, can you explain why?