Monday, March 12, 2012

Israel Under Fire, where is the Mainstream Media??

LINK:    Israel Under Fire

I know I normally post an article but this link is devastating and, we, as Americans, need to be made aware what is happening in Israel and to keep them in our prayers.  


What I would like to know is why we aren't hearing about this on the news, the net, anywhere?  I got this information from an Israel website. 


I, as, a Believer in the Holy Bible, am convinced we are looking at the end times. Israel is being attacked and no one is doing a damn thing, not even our supreme potentate Barack Hussein Obama. Why should he? He supports the Muslim Brotherhood and believes Israel should just give up their land and walk away. This land was promised to the Israelite's from Jehovah God and no one has the right to tell them what to do with that land, especially give it to a bunch of heartless, blood-thirsty terrorists, who use their own children as shields and suicide bombers.


I welcome your thoughts.

35 comments:

Liberalmann said...

"(Obama)supports the Muslim Brotherhood and believes Israel should just give up their land and walk away."

You are either real dumb or real gullible.

Leticia said...

Nice intellectual reply libm. I am impressed.

Anonymous said...

Leticia, your statement is thus read as a supporter of the Settler Movement and thus you must also believe that the Palestinians have no rights to their own land.

Also, by default, your belief that God gave all that land to Israel outways the coming of the Lord Jesus and that somehow Judaism's ignoring of His Coming allows Jewish law to be both superior and of trump those of Christ's.

Personally I find such views abhorant and against everything that Christianity stands for. To add to that, it also is against everything that your country stands for - in that religion overtakes politics and even trumps nationalism - especially for a country that is not your own.

The two state solution is the only answer to peace, it is the only fair and moral response.

For way to long has a particular foreign lobby group in the United States basically screwed your country to no end, particularly when it demands your loyalty, always claiming to be special and above the laws and standards others must meet, has in fact stolen your most precisious military secrets via classic espionage and would have no hestiation in forgetting you if you needed similar support.

Sure, Palestinians are their own worst enemy and they chose terrorism and clutched at any possible means to try and defeat Israel. They even sided with Saddam in the First Gulf War and before that when they were no longer welcome in Jordan because they abused it they attempted a coup rather than admit it.

However and notwithsanding that, they are also victims of a well planned and well funded propoganda tool and frankly speaking, it is eaten up like hotcakes amongst a very large (and very ignorrant) community in the United States.

Basically it is trash talk about there not being a Palestinian people, identity or even right to exist is simply common place - and to anyone who has even the slightest knowldedge of that part of the world knows it is simple garbage.

You should also not forget that the Settler Movement is a bunch of land-grabbing thieves that knows it will be defended by the IDF even though they have taken yet again more and more land from families and communities. The hope of the Settlers is that they will be attacked and that it will cause an ultimate annexation and bingo they get homes for free and a land based on religion. The sick irony is that they use religion as an excuse more than many Muslims, but only the Muslims are blamed for it.

In addition, it should not be forgotten that past attempts to stop the Settler Movement's funding in the United States and attempts by the Knesset in Israel to put limits on their excesses resulted in two bomb explosions and a plot to kill five prominent people - Meir Kahane was officially declared a terrorist by the FBI and his Kach Party (in Israel) was closed down and declared "racist"...

It is the people that are the victims - both Palestinian and Israeli, to more than half a decade of the most ugly and cruel physical, psychological and political scrambling for land with not only blood but truth being sucked out of that most holy of lands. One group moved in and another was dislocated. That happens in history but there is either a total wipe-out of one or a rectification or resolution made. In this case, both leaderships will AND HAVE done whatever they can and both have succumbed to even more sick interest groups who are either after their own power, revenge or a mindless zealot-like fantasy that God is telling them to do it.

A last and final comment. Nobody in their right mind can accuse Obama of being a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood or that he believes that Israel does not have a right to exist, defend itself or its' people to prosper.

Damien Charles

Z said...

I'll never forget Obama's having family dinner while Netanyahu waited somewhere for him to appear...on the last trip to Washington. So embarrassing.

Interesting that Israel has complied with everything asked for but still is getting hit and, you're right, Leticia, the point of your post is WHERE IS THE MEDIA? ....not DOES ISRAEL HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST>
And, indeed, I happened to hear that Israel's been hit by PA's 3 times in the last couple of days and had never heard it anywhere on the television news. WHich isn't surprising anymore, but almost scary.

Nobody wants the PA's...how many were murdered by Jordan years ago? And yet they buy into the muslim lies about how Jews are pigs and they even let their children see hate-Jew cartoons. We're supposed to overlook that because they're a downtrodden people?! But, IMAGINE IF ISRAEL SHOWED A CARTOON LIKE THAT TO THEIR CHILDREN!?

Meier was right when she said "Take guns from the PA's, we'd have peace...take guns from Israel, we'd have no Israel."

It's difficult to read such cheering for Palestinians who aren't smart enough to know they're being used, poor things. They live hard lives....but they have to stop attacking Israel. And, the oddest thing (I saw this while living in Paris watching CNN International)...the media spends 2 minutes dealing with a terrible bus bomb in Haifa but 20 minutes dealing with Israel's retribution on Palestine. I think that was the day I totally threw my sentiments behind Israel. Until then, I"d believed the stories we hear from our media.

Our media doesn't seem to care about how badly Israel gets hit...don't wait for them to cover this; they're too busy covering Syria now. Israel doesn't count, apparently.

Leticia said...

Damien, today, in the White House there are three members of the Muslim Brotherhood that influence Obama’s policy. One is Rashad Hussain of Indian origin who is the American Ambassador to the 52 nation organization of Islamic countries.
Dialia Mogahed who writes his speech who comes from the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.
and another woman, an academic, was appointed in that circle. This was back in 2011. Okay. I wasn't making that up.

You went off topic, but that's fine I can see how deeply you feel about this particular subject. And I would like to thank you for being respectful to me and arguing with such great intellect unlike LibM, who only knows how to use profanity and insults to his/her point across.

As Z, pointed out, I was mostly posting as to why none of us have heard that Israel has been under constant bombardments from Palestine.

Israel has to defend itself at all costs, they are surrounded by enemies on each side of their borders. Can you imagine living like that all your life.

But, oh no, the media paints them as the evil, hateful Jews who thrive on murder. Not so. They want peace just like every country does.

But sadly, they overlooked, once again, because Syria seems to be a lot more important news. Well, not for me.

Liberalmann said...

Do you guys ...like...read the news or listen to Obama's speeches or are you living in some alternate (Fox) universe?

"Iran’s leaders should know that I do not have a policy of containment; I have a policy to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. And as I’ve made clear time and again during the course of my presidency, I will not hesitate to use force when it is necessary to defend the United States and its interests,” Obama said.

At the same time, he appeared to caution against a unilateral Israeli strike. He said “loose talk of war” has caused tensions to rise, and emphasized that “now is the time to let our increased pressure sink in.”

Obama’s tough language won praise in Israel as an unprecedented show of support for the Jewish state.

“We’ve never heard such a supportive speech in Israel,” Deputy Prime Minister Silvan Shalom told Israel Radio Monday, adding that U.S.-Israel coordination was now “almost perfect.”

Shalom, a hawkish member of Netanyahu’s government, has in the past expressed doubt that Iran would abandon its nuclear program on its own.

Israeli President Shimon Peres, who had a meeting with Obama Sunday, said he “came out with the feeling that the man is determined to prevent Iran from attaining nuclear weapons."

Ducky's here said...

Don't they have to find the perfect red heifer and rebuild the temple first?

dmarks said...

Liberalmann said: "Do you guys ...like...read the news or listen to Obama's speeches or are you living in some alternate (Fox) universe?"

Actually, Fox, an accurate and highly respected news source, typically presents Obama speeches in their entirety.

"At the same time, he appeared to caution against a unilateral Israeli strike."

At this point there is no possibility of a unilateral strike, with other Gulf nations supporting the idea of Israel doing this. "Unilateral" means something, and when more than one nation is involved in support, it no longer applies.. Perhaps the President was reading from the same teleprompter writer who told him that there are 58 states in the US. Too bad the President is not good at thinking on his feet, and his best talent seems to be reading aloud (uncritically) what others have written.

Rob said...

"Actually, Fox, an accurate and highly respected news source",

I am confused. It is a fact that those who watch fox news are less informed than those who watch Jon Srewart. So as to it being an accurate account of whats going on, well it's just not true.

Lisa said...

Dmarks good reply as usual. Obama sure is no decision maker by all means,how could anyone who's resume is so thin?
And by that I mean his qualifications for being president.
Obama is the lefts ornament who his handlers propped up to be something he clearly is not.
He is just there to spew propaganda.
I can't even listen to him anymore because he outright lies and then you get these so called "intellects" who think they can interpret those lies for us.
My thought is the brainwashing that has been going on since the creation of the Frankfurt School of Thought.
I believe they are anti-semitic. Even liberal Jews who live here ,because if we remember during the Holocaust Jews turned on each other and I am not comfortable knowing one of Obama's handlers was one of them and the fact that one of Obama's many mentors was a Communist and a pedophile Frank Marshall Davis.
These are not modern thinkers these are people with some kind of a grudge living in the past.
Germany was quite an evolved country before it delved into darkness.
The left in this country like to say it is us who are being influenced when in reality it is them and they believe because it's been hammered i to their everyday life in academia.
Look who some college professors are. Bill Ayers and Rashid Khalidi to name 2. That right there should say enough.

cube said...

Isreal, one of our greatest allies, stands alone as long as BO is in the White House. He can flap his purple lips all he wants, but we all know that he isn't with them.

Lisa said...

well put cube!Love it

Teresa said...

Palestinians never lived in Palestine prior to their being kicked out of Egypt and other Middle Eastern countries during the 20th century. Newt is correct when he stated that Palestinians are a made-up people.

"Strangely, it turns out, the maps displayed start no earlier than the ancient date of 1917. The CBS News website has a background section called ?A Struggle For Middle East Peace.?? Its history timeline starts no earlier than 1897. The NBC News background section called ??Searching for Peace?? has a timeline which starts in 1916. BBC?s timeline starts in 1948.

Yet, the clincher must certainly be the Palestinian National Authority?s own website. While it is top heavy on such phrases as ?Israeli occupation? and ?Israeli human rights violations? the site offers practically nothing on the history of the so-called Palestinian people. The only article on the site with any historical content is called ?Palestinian History - 20th Century Milestones? which seems only to confirm that prior to 1900 there was no such concept as the Palestinian People."

"Alphonse de Lamartine visited the land in 1835. In his book, Recollections of the East, he writes "Outside the gates of Jerusalem we saw no living object, heard no living sound?." None other than the famous American author Mark Twain, who visited the Land of Israel in 1867, confirms this. In his book Innocents Abroad he writes, ?A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. We reached Tabor safely?. We never saw a human being on the whole journey.? Even the British Consul in Palestine reported, in 1857, ?The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population??"

There is historical record which shows that the Jewish people lived in the land known as Israel since the times of the Bible while there is no such record of Palestinians having lived in that same place. The fact is that Palestinians have no right to demand that they have a claim to land known as Israel today.

Lone Ranger said...

Liberals hate Jews. It;s that simple. Hatred of Jews seems to go hand in hand with leftism. I don't know why, but liberals -- even self-loathing liberal Jews -- hate Jews. They've managed to separate anti-Semitism from anti-Zionism, parroting all sorts of scurrilous lies about Jews being the "occupiers" of Arab land. Even the great liberal icon, FDR, refused to change immigration laws to allow Jews sanctuary from the Nazi Holocaust.

I've long wondered why the left all over the world despise a people who comprise only 0.02 percent of the global population. does a pretty darn good job of explaining it. http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/7826 Even the links in the article are interesting.

As for Jews occupying Palestine, avert your eyes, liberals. Facts follow:

1. Israel became a state in 1312 B.C., two millennium before Islam even existed.

2. Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves "Palestinians" in 1967, two decades after modern Israeli statehood.

3. After conquering the land in 1272 B.C., Jews ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years.

4. The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C. lasted just 22 years. Again, that was centuries before Islam existed.

5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (east) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Koran.

7. King David founded Jerusalem; Muhammad never set foot in it.

8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem.

9. In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence; 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier.

10. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms.

11. Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the Muslim countries.

12. In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War II, they are the only group to have never integrated with their co-religionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel, a country no larger than New Jersey.

13. There are 22 Muslim countries, not counting Palestine. There is only one Jewish state. Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.

14. Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel. Israel ceded most of the West Bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian Authority, and even provided it with arms.

15. During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible.

16. Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 General Assembly resolutions, 429 were against Israel.

17. The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the Temple Mount and Western Wall.

Ah, but I'm wasting my time. Jew haters cannot be swayed by facts.

Lisa said...

I love Teresa and LR's comments. Obama is pretending to stand with Israel when we clearly now he doesn't and the liberals get all mushy when he says it so they can say "See,he does stand with Israel"
I remember when Bush was president I never saw any support of Israel on any left wing blogs. As a matter of fact quite the opposite. Also whenever something went sour with our military democrats and the Times like John Kerry were saying things about how out military was going out in the dead of night killing innocent people and how it was becuse of policies of the Bush Adm. See silence now because Dear Leader is president now.
tnuesehpmarep

Anonymous said...

Lone Ranger,

your diatribe is simply wishful thinking as is your assumption that anyone who makes a comment against the Settlers must be "left" or "liberal".

Let us look at your propoganda sheet:

1. "Israel became a state in 1312 B.C.," - yet it was also owned by many other states. Byzantium was a state before Islam, so was ancient Zimbabwe, how about one of the Frankish Kingdoms. Do we all start making claims based on what our ancestors did thousands of years ago?

2. The region of Palestine was called that from before the Romans, it is a name representing the people of that area of which the various Arab communities called them Filitine since the time of Salahudine.

3. The majority presence time rule makes no sense, if so then half of Morocco should return to Spain considering that their 800 year presence (and improvements) was longer than the 400 years of Visigoths before them or the 350 years of Catalan after.

4. "The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C. lasted just 22 years. Again, that was centuries before Islam existed." And to be academic, yes, and since then it has been.

5. "For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity." Yes and no, after the first crusade Salahudine ensured that nobody rules the city as it was the city of the Book and thus to be kept a holy cit. Yet again, meaningless unless you believe that "God" told you can.

6. "Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Koran." Actually incorrect, it refers to the city, land or domain of David four times, not that it matters either way, we are talking about the modern world, obviously your head is stuck thousands of years backwards.

7. "King David founded Jerusalem; Muhammad never set foot in it." Theologically speaking, Mohammed did but yet again even that does not matter from a religous perspective, as an Abrahamic faith the city is considered sacred to Muslims as well.

8. "Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem." Childish argument, Muslims in fact started at first to pray towards Jerusalam but since their faith considered the rock in Mecca to be more sacred and actually placed there by Abraham himself, they believe it trumps that. Again, pointless argument with no value.

9. "In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence; 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier." Urban myth in Israel, in fact the British warned off Arabs that they must leave or face arrest with promisses of money, new lands, etc, and most got nothing and their homes taken. Ironically, your argument talks about thousands of years ago and then jumps to 1948 with recognition that Arabs were there - ignoring the "thousands of years" between.

..... continued

Anonymous said...

.... continued

10. "Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms." Contextually misguided and actually off topic. But, since you raised it, most Jewish populations in most parts of the world were constantly fleeing or being desimated by its inhabitants be it Muslim or Christian. To be historically acurate, until the mid-to-late 19th century, Jews were much safer and "prefered" to live in Mulims lands than that of Christians. Then of course we know what happened in Europe in the 1930s and 40s and face it, the rest is a result of the politics of the creation of the state of Israel.

11. "Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the Muslim countries." Playing with numbers whilst ignoring actual stats.

12. "In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries." Bigotted statement based on the assumption that "all Arabs are the same". It does not work. Also your argument that "but Israel is just a small piece of land" falls flat if your a resident - or should we say you lost it. How about you give away your little home to someone else.

13. "There are 22 Muslim countries, not counting Palestine. There is only one Jewish state. Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them. " Get it right, there are 22 Arab lands (56 Muslim)and yes Israel won the battles, and that is the crux, it is the result of power, nothing else.

14. "Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel." Yes, that is correct. By the same value, the existance of a Settler Movement requires the destruction of any concept of a Palestinian State and identity. Both simply are perverted.

15. "During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews" See the response to 17...

16. "Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 General Assembly resolutions, 429 were against Israel. " Yep, tells you a lot.

17. "The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem....." So you point out abuses, so then I point out abuses, then you point out more and then I do and so on and so forth. Pointless arguments yet again.


So what was your point? Apart from name calling (based on incorrect assumptions, as I am an active and paid member of the British Conservative Party, the left argument falls flat to no end).

You have proved my point and I thank you for it. You have shown all the well formed propoganda that is there to attempt to give one powerful and influencial section of the Israel/Jewish world that wishes to annex the West Bank under the pretext of legitimacy and ultimately divine calling - when it is in fact a land-grab and nothing more.

You also need to get some history and politics lessons let alone a grasp of time-lines.

Cheers

Damien Charles

dmarks said...

Rob said: ""Actually, Fox, an accurate and highly respected news source",

I am confused."

Of course you are confused. Jon Stewart isn't accurate at all, and is mostly lame jokes by people who think the height of coolness is saying the F word on TV.

Or are you someone who learned the history of the American West from watching "Blazing Saddles"? Probably.

Anonymous said...

Leticia,

Rashad Hussain is not a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, that is just blog-rumours playing on the fact that he associates with people who are either or indirectly linked to it. I read his material regularly.

Neither is Dalia Mogahed a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, she has family back in Egypt who are, but she is not. We should add that her work would disqualify her from being a MB member and even at risk. Again, you read to many blogs with agendas.

You did not provide the third name and thus cannot tell, but my guess it would be the same. I find it quite amazing how rumour and assumptions fly, I guess the elections are coming soon.

When you talk about nobody or the MSM not talking about attacks by rockets my guess is your talking about for the average American. That does not suprise me because the rest of us were quite aware and the iternational media was showing it. I watched a documentary about how the average American to a degree is in fact very clueless and naive about world events, the culture and attitudes of others. Even when they put soldiers they know about the fighting and killing but not about how locals think or act.

One reason why there was not so much response, my guess, is that because almost every single rocket failed to land. Have you heard about the "grey shell"? That is the anti-missile system on the borders that takes down 90 per cent of Palestinian rockets (letting 9 per cent fall harmlessly into fields) with unfortunately the 1 per cent reaking havoc. Even the Israelis do not raise much infor anymore because of that. You looked at an IDF page for source, so of course they gave the full picture.

Though it must be so hard to live under such a situation as you know there are those things flying around, it should not take away the realities of the causes, feelings and history behind the entire mess called Israeli-Palestinian relations.

Leticia, now I will tell you a story that I am almost 100 per cent sure you have not heard about or ever focused on. Go back to the 1920s to the years following the end of World War II. Before the State of Israel, there were Jewish militant groups pushing for an Israel and because the British (and the French) did not support it (at that time), they bombed barracks, assassinated government officials, attacked convoys, laid mines, fired rockets and even bombed cafes and killed civilians. My Grandfather's brother (a Colonel in the Army, his wife and two daughters died in one such blast). Do I blame Jews or have a low opinion of Israel for it? No, of course not, but I do find the double standards of putting those "terrorists" (because that is what they were in todays terms) as being "heroes and freedom fighters". I think there is a saying about that, which I cannot remember right now.

I condemn all radicalism, terror and bigotry, but I condemn even more two things - arrogant ignorance and ignorant arrogance. History is recorded and we cannot afford to cut & paste it, we need to read it all and judge it as a whole, not in peices. Winston Churchill had a saying that is on the front door of Harrow (his school that I also attended) and it says "if one opens a page of history then one must open the entire book".

Cheers

Damien Charles

Anonymous said...

Teresa, with all respect, your full of it. Rather than cherry picking at particular pieces that suites your argument, try going the actual academic route and take the entire subject into consideration. That is called context.

Example, quoting one visit by a European at a particular time reflects only that particular time, not before or after it. In that particular case, the Ottoman decision to move the commercial centre from Jerusalem to Damascus (and later to Baghdad) turned what was a prosperous business centre into a near deserted ghost town. Your reference avoided the point that the Jewish inhabitants, whom everyone here likes to think would never abandon the City of David, actually moved out with the Arabs to Damascus and even as far as Istanbul and were just as guilty of abandonment.

The point Teresa is that trying to do some "pissing contest" for who owns or was there first, last, or respected it, is a fruitless task. Also it fails in context, in time-line and in your case, with rather silly accussations that have no basis in logic. Palestine is the region and thus the people who lived there gained the title. It was the Romans that took the Phonecian name and called both the land and the people Palestine. The predecessor to the Arabs and then the Arabs themselves called themselves that, it is even there in the Bible under the title of Filistine (remember Samson in your Bible classes?). During the First Crusade the Arabs called those from that area Al Filistina (as recorded by Salahuddin himself).

So please, get of your high horse, stop assuming, stop using blogs as your only source and put context ind perhaps you may get some respect.

Damien Charles

Damien Charles

Leticia said...

Hey all, I am not ignoring your comments. I promise to respond tomorrow.

It's been a tiresome day and I am just not up to the task right now.

To Dmarks, LoneR and Teresa, thank you for carrying the torch for me. :)

Right Wing Theocrat said...

The slimestream media are either too lazy to understand the existential threat faced by Israel or are happy to let them be consumed by the islamist barbarians.
I suspect it's a little bit of both.

In my opinion, Israel needs to do whatever she needs to do to keep safe, do not rely on other nations for your safety. As you can see, one day they'll have your back, the next day they'll forget about you.

Always On Watch said...

I have a friend living in Israel, and he has been keeping me up to date with the Pseudostinians latest intifada.

The mainstream media -- well, barely a mention as far as I've heard or read.

I believe that we are living in the Age of the New Anti-Semitism.

Always On Watch said...

I just found the following in my email:

Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan said - "Israel slougthers Palestinians in Gaza".

In a speech in front of the Turkish Parliament Erdogan called the last escalation :-
'attempt to eliminate the Palestinians".

He called the Israeli citizens to stop the "Israeli terrorism government" - in his words.

Leticia said...

LibM, well, as I have mentioned numerous times, Fox News is not my only venue to get information. And Obama is doing nothing but blowing hot air. It's an election time and he is blowing smoke. I have yet, to see him follow through with anything, other than apologizing for America being so arrogant.

Ducky, come on!! I know you are very capable of a lot more intellectual responses than that.

Damien, you are the one that maybe misinformed, rumors are usually built on truth or half-truths, however, I trust the source where I received my information and, no, it was not on the Fox News website. And yes, God did, in fact, give Israel their land. If you like, I would be more than happy to share some scriptures out of the KJV for you. K? Anyhoo, I know there are innocent victims on both sides, children and families being caught between the crossfires, but I simply will not apologize for standing 100% behind Israel. My opinion, is that Obama is a Muslim sympathizer. Too many coincidences with his Muslim celebrations and his obvious dissing of Christian celebrations. But, Damien, we are both entitled to our own opinions, and I respect yours as well. And one last thing. I am truly sorry, for the loss of your family members and I absolutely AGREE with your last statement. Well-put.

Hello, Rob, and welcome. I do watch Fox News more than any other media outlet, but as for Jon Stewart, the man is a comedian and not to be taken seriously.

Cube, you are spot-on!!

MK, precisely correct. We are not in Israel nor do we face the horrors that face on a daily basis, and I believe they must do everything in their power to keep their nation safe.

AOW said, "I believe that we are living in the Age of the New Anti-Semitism."

Most definitely. But then again, they have always been hated by so many, it's just coming back in full, open force.

Right Wing Theocrat said...

Do you have any verifiable proof of the Jewish groups bombing cafes, assassinating, attacking convoys and murdering civilians charles?

Anonymous said...

RWT, I suggest a bit of history reading, it does people wonders, I recommend Palestinian Mandate history 1945 to 1947, though assassinations of British police and army officers started in 1939.

Start with looking up the word "Haganah", "Lehi", "Irgun". Find an independant source, not the IDF nor a Palestinian version to satisfy your doubts. Even Wiki does a reasonable job but I consider it to brief on events.

Look up particularly the King David Hotel bombing of which resulted in 91 deaths.

Letter bombs sent as far as Britian, including to the office of Prime Minister Attlee. There was, for instance a bobm at the British Embassy in Rome being bombed with civilian loss of life outside its gate.

With research you will find at least five items about car-bombs into police stations and three on fire-bombings of cafes (one of which killed family of my own).

I have not, on purpose, mentioned deaths of Arab civilians during that time or during the later battles in 1948. Both sides committed horrible acts, but it should be pointed out that Israelis did as much as the Arabs, such as killing over 250 civilians in Deir Yassin. My point being that there is to much influence implying that everything was Arab, the Israelis were all innocent victims and that they proudly and innocently got their State without doing some dirty work. Ultimately I do not condemn them, that is what happens when you try and create a nation out of force. They did it, got away with it and they can be proud of what they created. Having said that, there is some two-faced and double-standards and all I want, and my family wants, is recognition of some events that were in fact criminal.

One very revealing statement is important. Under todays standards and morals, a State of Israel would never have been allowed due to to the cost in human toll and breaking of international laws.

An example of the reference to double standards is the therm terrorists becoming "heroes" I will quote an item out of Wiki which is clear enough. They are talking about the two assassins whom killed the British Minister to Palestine at the time!

"The two assassins, Eliahu Bet-Zouri and Eliahu Hakim were captured and used their trial as a platform to make public their political propaganda. They were executed. In 1975 their bodies were returned to Israel and given a state funeral.[. In 1982, postage stamps were issued for 20 Olei Hagardom, including Bet-Zouri and Hakim, in a souvenir sheet called "Martyrs of the struggle for Israel's independence."".

It all sounds similar does it not?

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Anonymous said...

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Also in 1948, they killed Counte Bernadotte, the UN Envoy to the peace negotiations.

When Israel declared itself a nation, the Knesset declared the groups as "terrorists" but quietly six months later, gave all members amnesty. Note that they admitted to the groups being exactly that. Also, the list of types of attacks are very similar to modern day terrorism, albiet that at least they mostly attacked British and Arab military targets - yet not all of them being so and there is no mention or admition regarding it, instead they are regarded as heroes with street names, stamps etc. Again, sound familiar?

Also there are other examples of admittion of terrorism:

"References to the Irgun as a terrorist organization came from sources including the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry,[51] newspapers[52][53][54][55][56] and a number of prominent world and Jewish figures.[57][58][59] Leaders within the mainstream Jewish organizations, the Jewish Agency, Haganah and Histadrut, as well as the British authorities, routinely condemned Irgun operations as terrorism and branded it an illegal organization as a result of the group's attacks on civilian targets.[56] However, privately at least the Haganah kept a dialogue with the dissident groups.[60] Ironically, in early 1947, "the British army in Mandate Palestine banned the use of the term 'terrorist' to refer to the Irgun zvai Leumi ... because it implied that British forces had reason to be terrified,"

Irgun attacks prompted a formal declaration from the World Zionist Congress in 1946, which strongly condemned "the shedding of innocent blood as a means of political warfare."

One member of Irgun was a certain "Begin, Menachem".

One irony is that the newspaper produced by the Lehi group was called "Hamaas". (I find that bit of knowledge very ironic indeed). Lehi was the one that was the most terrorist-like and the responsibility of killing my great-Uncle, Aunt and cousins aged 9 and 12.

So, RWT, what was your question agian? Oh yeah, any credible evidence?

Damien Charles

Right Wing Theocrat said...

I was hoping you could point to some location on the internet Charles.

Not to say i don't believe all that you typed up and thanks for taking the time.

And i should also add that what you typed up doesn't surprise me. No nation is completely and utterly unblemished. Even today they are killing their enemies by bombs and every other creative way they can think of. No fair trials or anything of the sort. That's the way it is over there.

Doesn't change my support for Israel though.

dmarks said...

Why were the British in the Israel area anyway? Was it a justified occupation because the people there had attacked England?

Anonymous said...

dmarks,

the answer to why they were there is the universal answer to human nature - power.

rich and powerful nations controlling the weaker or poorer.

modernity has cut much of it so it changes to economics - well in most cases.

as i said, for me personally, the subject comes to admitting and dealing openly with truths and not hiding them or covering up.

examples are turkish denials of genocide, spanish civil war silence, british colonial incompetance, US avoidance of international tribunal partipation, and Israels' avoiding the reality that was behind those years that ,created, modern Israel and that they relied on non-resident Jews to finance, lobby and even steal for Israel even when some were acts of espionage and treason.

Regardless, i also support israel - and the two state solution and a a viable independant Palestine.

D Charles
solution.

dmarks said...

"Regardless, i also support israel - and the two state solution and a a viable independant Palestine."

As do I. And as does the government if Israel and most Israelis.

In contrast, the government of Palestine, and a majority of Palestinians, support invading and conquering Israel and exterminating the Jews. There's a difference.

Anonymous said...

dmarks,

I would not be sure that "the majority of palestinains people", or in fact the members of the Palstinian government want Israel "destroyed".

A lot is media hype, interest groups such as the Settler Movement whom wish to portrait cross-the-board hate to that level, but I doubt very much that it is the case at all. Sure the language is there, the frustration and the bloodshed, but the average Palestinian wants peace badly, a chance for the children to grow and be happy. Equally so, the goverment would not be also pushing and negotiating for a two-state solution and yet not want two states!

The problem comes from all directions. The hard-liners and combatants whom actually benefit from the current situation, the Settler Movement that wants to take the land away from them, the media that likes excitement or is paid by either of these groups, the tit-for-tat fighting at present that slows everything down and then the outsider influences that also benefit in one way or the other. The victims is not only the people themselves but also the perception and truth itself.

D Charles

dmarks said...

"I would not be sure that "the majority of palestinains people", or in fact the members of the Palstinian government want Israel "destroyed"

The only reason to doubt this would be to assume that the Palestinians had a big change of heart in the past few years. Because a few years ago a significant majority of the Palestinian electorate voted for Hamas. Yes, Hamas, the political party whose charter calls for killing Jews no matter where they are, and whose main most visible goal is the elimination of Israel.

"...or in fact the members of the Palstinian government want Israel "destroyed".

Hamas is a major part of the government. This is what they stand for.

"A lot is media hype, interest groups such as the Settler Movement..."

This has nothing to do with media hype, or the settler movement. It has to do with the main demands and top goal of the dominant political party in the Palestinian government. I am going from their words, is all.

Anonymous said...

dmarks,

I based my doubts on facts.

The fact is yes HAMAS's policy is to destroy Israel and yet they are willing to negotiate and some members talk openly about the "two state solution", thus we can ascertain that "destroy Israel" is as much rhetoric as policy.

In addition, HAMAS got in the 2006 election just over 40 per cent of the vote. The main argument for that result (which by the way is not even 50 per cent) is that in their areas they represented stability in economics and personal security that the PA was not able to guarentee. In otherwords it was an internal protest vote, NOT because of their stance against Israel.

The argument that you made that the Palestinian people have a change of heart is based on your incorrect assumption that they are reflective of the views of the various authorities and personalities that we see in the media. Palestinians have not had much "democracy" available to them and they tend to actually "shut-up" rather than speak out. You see the noisy minority and not the quiet majority. Yes they are reactionary and to them they are in a state of seige, but again remember also that you see the residents of the west bank, not the huge amount of refugees that are waiting to go back to some sort of nation, they are almost totally without a vote, what do they want?

My point is do not jump to such quick solutions without a bit of study on the actual subject.

Another point, the Settler Movement is a HUGE impact - as per example on your opinion. They are well financed and even though officially not supported, are fully protected by the IDF. Their entire objective is to take portions of Palestinian land in the West Bank and as quick as possible make a community and have it protected by the IDF and declared a piece of Israel and not included into any future Palestinian Nation. It is basically theft of land and a provocation of the largest though.

For Americans you should understand that more than most. It is in your psychie, the right to freedom, peace, self-defence and land. That last one is being stolen and if it happened to Americans, there would be just as much of a shouting and conflict.

Damien Charles