Thursday, February 9, 2012

GOP targets child tax break for illegal immigrants

WASHINGTON (AP) - Republicans are looking to deny child tax credits to illegal immigrants—refund checks averaging $1,800 a family—in an effort that has roused anger among Hispanics and some Democratic lawmakers.

The proposal, which would require people who claim the federal credit to haveSocial Security numbers to prove they're legal workers, is being offered as a way to help pay for extending the Social Security tax cut for most American wage-earners. It would trim federal spending by about $10 billion over a decade.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada says the proposal unfairly goes after the children of poor Hispanic workers. Such kids often are U.S. citizens,even when their parents aren't, because they were born in this country.

Says Leticia Miranda, senior policy adviser of the National Council of La Raza:"People who are making close to the minimum wage and are raising children in this country—and we're asking them to pay for the payroll tax cut?" She says, "It's outrageous and it's crazy."

On the other side, Republicans and some Democrats say what's crazy is even having a debate over whether the government should be cutting checks to people who have sneaked into the country illegally. It's hard to imagine there isn't a healthy majority, even in the Democratic-controlled Senate, to stop the practice—if it's actually brought to a vote.

"We have rules about tax credits and benefits, and it seems to me they need to be applied fairly and across the board," said Democrat Sen. Claire McCaskill,who is facing a difficult re-election bid in Missouri. "If there are rules, they need to be enforced. I think it's just that simple. I don't think it's complicated."

Illegal immigrants have been barred from other refundable tax credits—in which low-income workers not only don't owe income taxes but receive payments from the government—such as the earned income tax credit. Such credits are a popular anti-poverty tool in part because a recipient has to hold a job to receive the benefit.

"Although the law prohibits aliens residing without authorization in the United States from receiving most federal public benefits, an increasing number of these individuals are filing tax returns claiming this refundable credit," Rep.Sam Johnson, R-Texas, said when the House debated the payroll tax cut measure in December. "Illegal immigrants bilked $4.2 billion from the U.S. taxpayers (in 2010). I think that it's time that we fixed it."

The situation has Democrats in a box. If they fight the GOP effort to cut back payments of the tax credit, they'll be favoring the delivery of refunds to people who not only don't owe income taxes but aren't supposed to be in the country in the first place.

What's more, closing the loophole would raise real money—an estimated $10 billion over 10 years under the approach favored by House Republicans.

The Treasury Department says that in the 2010 filing year more than $4 billion in child credit refunds went to 2.3 million people who filed tax returns but didn't have Social Security numbers proving they were citizens or legal workers. That's a four-fold increase over five years earlier.

Hispanics point out that in many instances the tax credit goes to workers who aren't citizens but whose children are—because they've been born in the country and therefore have Social Security numbers of their own. They say such children should reap the benefit of the tax credit just like other children in comparable economic circumstances.

So here we go again.  Illegals demanding to get money from tax payers and the liberal and Hispanic Democrats are cheering and whining right along with them.

I am not sure if I will ever understand how illegals get more help from our government than her own citizens? It doesn't make any sense. If an illegal is caught, first, make sure they are fingerprinted and documented.  Second, they must comply with American immigration laws and follow proper procedure to work and live here, legally.  

It's about time that our laws are obeyed by every American citizen. It is deplorable that hard working Americans are asked to pay for illegals to get all the freebies that they receive. It has to stop NOW.  We simply cannot afford to continue supporting people that do not belong here.

I support profiling and checking ID's and absolutely MUST have a social security number if they intend to get a tax return.

Just yesterday, I had my social security card and driver's license copied before I was able to file for my tax return. And I have known my accountant for over 13 years!  Not a big deal, I happily complied. 


23 comments:

Silverfiddle said...

This is what happens today when you stand up for the rule of law in one area but not across the board.

Unfortunately, the GOP's complete complicity in our exception-riddled tangle of commands and exemptions pay-for-play scheme known colloquially as "law making," leaves them open to such charges.

If they first went after corporate welfare with such ferocity, they would have some credibility to insulate themselves from charges of hating the poor and immigrants.

I can't take it anymore. The GOOPers is just as rotten and corrupt as the Demonrats, they just specialize in a different area.

They are like two criminal gangs that have called a truce so they can divide up the neighborhood and rob and rape everybody.

Sidbirt said...

So very true, this is exactly what happens. And Democrats do it best

Jersey McJones said...

2/3rds of illegal aliens pay payroll taxes already, money they'll never see again. That's free money for our regressively paid safety net. Meanwhile, the lowlife treasonous wealthy pay far less a percent of their income for those programs.

I say keep all the illegals and get rid of the lowlife treasonous wealthy. Let's see how well they fare in the Third World hellholes they sustain with our money.

JMJ

Leticia said...

Silver, this time we can blame both parties for this mess. I cannot defend the GOP, because they responsible.

Sidbirt, welcome!! We just need to clean house and replace people in both parties that will adhere to the Constitution and quit re-writing it or stomping on it.

Jersey, I have to disagree. We need the wealthy people here, they are the ones providing jobs. I love that I work for a wonderful doctor and thankful and very grateful for my job.

Silverfiddle said...

Jersey:

The filthy rich thrive in third-world hell holes. Had you ever lived in one you would know...

Also, of all OECD countries, our tax code is the most progressive, beating even Sweden.

You seriously need to widen your information sources. You're not a dumb man, I can tell, but msnbc is making you appear so.

Always On Watch said...

I don't know what we have child tax credits in the first place. Aren't there deductions for children already in place?

Mr. AOW and I don't have children nor have we ever had a mortgage. No wonder our tax liability is so high!

Our tax code is too complicated, IMO.

dmarks said...

Jersey said: "Meanwhile, the lowlife treasonous wealthy pay far less a percent of their income for those programs."

Lost in all the kerfluffle is the fact that Mitt Romney and those like him pay MILLIONS in taxes each year.

Now, I would like you to justify the "treasonous" claim. Did it have meaning? Or was it a matter of you tossing out insults without any regards to their meaning again?

dmarks said...

leticia, email me if you like, at iahpblog@yahoo.com

I didn't find a way to contact you at all.

Lisa said...

Jersey thinks by exporting rich people that poor people will do much better.
The problem is that we import poor people.

Jersey McJones said...

I've got news for you Leticia, our doctors aren't all that wealthy anymore. Yet another reason we have to import them from the developing world. The real wealthy, the majority of whom don't provide jobs at all, profit from our university educations, making becoming a doctor are far less attractive option than becoming a useless Wall Street leech.

But you morons believe the wealthy "create" the jobs and the workers "do" them. It shows a completely one-sided, and intensely stupid, understanding of economics - of supply and demand, of division of labor, of scales of activity. Remember, conservative economic loons, you have to have BOTH. We have neither! We have a foreign supply, feeding an ever-shrinking demand! While the idle rich, those scum you guys adore, your God Mammon, profit by leeching off what remains of our largess, creating NOTHING in it's place.

God, you guys are sop pathetic when it comes to this. Get you shameful mouths off the anuses of the rich. Be men and women! You spineless sycophants!

JMJ

Lisa said...

Jersey what we need to do is stop with all the government programs. We are headed towards Greece at this rate.
The democrats outpromised too many things to too many people.

dmarks said...

Jersey said: "I've got news for you Leticia, our doctors aren't all that wealthy anymore"

"The mean annual salary of a MD specialist is $175,011 in the US, and $272,000 for surgeons."

Seems wealthy to me.

"
But you morons believe the wealthy "create" the jobs and the workers "do" them."

Actually, the wealthy do them too. They quite often do them harder than anyone else. or better. That is why they get wealthy.

"...of supply and demand, of division of labor, of scales of activity. Remember, conservative economic loons, you have to have BOTH. We have neither! "

We have both. for sure. Wonder what country you are in?

dmarks said...

In fact, most of our economic activity is domestic, and does not involve imports.

Check the facts here

"Imports of goods and services represent the value of all goods and other market services received from the rest of the world. They include the value of merchandise, freight, insurance, transport, travel, royalties, license fees, and other services, such as communication, construction, financial, information, business, personal, and government services. They exclude compensation of employees and investment income (formerly called factor services) and transfer payments."

Between 2007 and 2010, the % of imports vs the GDP is between 16 and 18%. The US exports are only a slightly smaller percentage (from the same source).

The combination of exports from the US, and US produced goods and economic activity that serve the US dwarf the import part of our economy. It's therefore a lie to say "we have a foreign supply", since that is small compared to the US supply. You really need to research these things.

"While the idle rich, those scum you guys adore,"

This comes across as a non sequitur. Can you name one idle rich person any conservative here has said they admire? Or any quotes, or even summary, of any of our admiration?

Of course you can't. You are lying again. We conservatives admire the efforts of the active rich (as well as all other producers).. the people who create, innovate, and invest.

Jersey, you need less of the playground insults (morons, stupid, etc) which tend to make your comments illegible, and more facts.

"profit by leeching off what remains of our largess, creating NOTHING in it's place."

Can you back this up? Your claim seems doubtful. Very much so. The idle people do nothing so they end up getting nothing. While those who get profits tend to be active: creators and innovators.

Are you lying, or just ignorant?

dmarks said...

Lisa said: "Jersey what we need to do is stop with all the government programs."

I disagree. I believe we need to keep the programs for the poor. In fact, strengthen them.

However, there has been a big push... from Democrats, not Republicans, for welfare for the wealthy, able bodied, and those who can generally fend for themselves quite well. This is pointless and destructive.

This is a a big step, in a very wrong direction. From having a safety net for the needy.... to socialism, a system in which the ruling elites run everyone's private lives in order to help us. But they help themselves first.

Leticia said...

Jersey, love your colorful choice of words. *rolling eyes* Tell me something, are in you business for yourself or do you work for a company? And who is providing your paycheck and benefits? Why don't you think about that.

Donald Trump owns many businesses and has lots of employees, I can guarantee they are happy that The Donald has all those hotels and business that need American workers to run.

Or let's see, my husband works for a factory owned by American farmers. Glad they are providing those jobs for people like my husband.

dmarks said...

Leticia: You are helping prove one of my points with Jersey. "The Donald" is certainly not one of the idle rich. And he works hard, and he creates jobs.

It is like Jersey is attacking some non-existent straw man.

Donald Trump has created many thousands of jobs, 7,000 in Atlantic City alone

Leticia said: "Or let's see, my husband works for a factory owned by American farmers."

Remember? Jersey said our economy was all imports. All "foreign supply" no domestic products. Which means the factory that your husband works at either doesn't exist, or is in China (run by those smelly Chinese he has bashed in the past).

And according to him, only the idle rich see reward at all. Since your husband is getting paid for his work, I guess that must make him one of Jersey's "idle rich".

According to Jersey....

Jersey McJones said...

dmarks, do you know what those doctors pay in insurance (another leeching system of the wealthy) and education? Then add in the headaches of dealing with all sorts of levels of private and public insurance companies? Each state different, with some states have a complex amalgam of dozens of plans, and some with virtual monopolies?

The private system is a complete and utter failure, but you cons just keep cruising along in la la land pretending more of the same will produce different results.

And then you dare talk to me about trade? I worked in trade for years, dmarks. If you took out agro (filled with those "illegals you guys hate) and scrap (metal, plastic, and paper) our trade deficit would be astounding. Our number one and two exports are agro and scrap. Our manufacturing deficit is appalling.

You are not debating honesty unless you are utterly ignorant of that fact.

JMJ

dmarks said...

Jersey: The so-called "deficits" don't really matter and aren't deficits at all. The stuff being imported is paid for, after all. Trade for equal value.

"If you took out agro (filled with those ....and scrap"

So, in other words, the US has a huge export sector after all. Unlike your earlier claim..

But if you arbitrarily cut out certain large sectors to try to salvage your argument, the export sector ends up small.

(metal, plastic, and paper) our trade deficit would be astounding. Our number one and two exports are agro and scrap. Our manufacturing deficit is appalling.

"You are not debating honesty unless you are utterly ignorant of that fact."

Actually, I proved you wrong on the "foreign supply" claim. But then you come back and try to "win" the argument by reducing the export sector to a much smaller amount than its actual size. Sorry, I stick to the actual size. That's the most honest thing to do.

Jersey McJones said...

dmarks,

Do you really believe you have made a good point with such sleazy misrepresentation. You should - unless you really believe your nonsense - know that manufacturing exports are far more valuable to us, create more jobs here, than scrap and agro. Are you stupid?

The point here is that agro and scrap exports, which represent a tiny percent of US jobs, skew that retarded number you're vomiting out.

God, man. What is wrong with you? Have we ever argued about anything other than your sleaze?

JMJ

Liberalmann said...

*cough*cough*....lies...*cough, *coughh. Nice try.

dmarks said...

Jersey said: "Do you really believe you have made a good point with such sleazy misrepresentation."

All I do is insist on the facts. You get rather sleezy with lame insults. Such as your most recent use of "retarded".

Time for you to get educated on the use of the "R-Word", which you and others use to bash the mentally disabled. It is in-line with other sleazy language it appears you alone use here. Like your reference to the "smelly" people in India and China. Or your sleazy insistence that the homophobic slur of bashing "faggots" is ok. Another time you used sleazy sexism and accused someone of doing something you didn't like if being like a girl.

Can't you make arguments without sleazy bigotry and hate speech?

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Back to the points you were weakly trying to make with sleazy language:

"You should - unless you really believe your nonsense"

Name one thing I said that was nonsense. One thing.

"know that manufacturing exports are far more valuable to us, create more jobs here, than scrap and agro. Are you stupid?"

You were the one going on about dominance of imports. when the fact is that imports are a small part of our economy. Do the research. I did.

As for your "Create more jobs" here claim, that is false. While the US has a strong manufacturing sector, it is the other sectors at this time that "create more jobs".

"The point here is that agro and scrap exports, which represent a tiny percent of US jobs, skew that retarded number you're vomiting out."

They skew NOTHING. Whether you like them or not. they are part of our economy, and part of our exports.

"God, man. What is wrong with you?"

I stick the the point. I stick to the facts. And I can do so without expressing my hatred for people based on race, sexual preference, disability, or gender.

What's wrong with that? Nothing at all.

"Have we ever argued about anything other than your sleaze?"

Again, you won't be able to come up with one example of my "sleaze". But I would not be surprised if in your attempt to do so, you bash black people, the Polish, and the elderly along the way.

MK said...

"I am not sure if I will ever understand how illegals get more help from our government than her own citizens?"

So long as democrats have a healthy share of the power in America, that'll continue. They'll bankrupt you real Americans and destroy your country before they'll admit the folly of their stand on illegal immigration.

Leticia said...

MK, and yet, they have so many that support them.