Wednesday, February 22, 2012

7 dead as Afghans protest Quran burning.......... UPDATE

KABUL, Afghanistan — Seven people were killed in clashes between Afghan security forces and protesters demonstrating against the burning of Muslim holy books at a NATO military base, Afghanistan's Interior Ministry said Wednesday.

The anger over the Quran burning has sparked two days of protests across Afghanistan and tapped into anti-foreign sentiment fueled by a popular perception that foreign troops disrespect Afghan culture and Islam.

The demonstrations prompted the U.S. to lock down its embassy and bar its staff from traveling.

The Afghan Interior Ministry said in a statement that clashes during a protest in the eastern province of Parwan left four people dead. It said an investigation was under way to determine what happened.

The other deaths occurred at a U.S. base outside Kabul, where security guards killed one person, and in Jalalabad and Logar province, the ministry said.

The demonstration in Kabul drew thousands of protesters, who chanted "Death to America," hurled rocks and set tires alight outside a complex that is home to foreign contractors, police and some coalition military forces.

Nearby, angry demonstrators set a fuel truck ablaze on a main highway running east out of the city, sending black smoke billowing into the air.

The apologized Tuesday for the burning of books, including Qurans, which had been pulled from the shelves of the Parwan Detention Facility, adjoining Bagram Air Field, because they contained extremist messages or inscriptions.

A Western military official with knowledge of the incident said it appeared that the copies of the Quran and other Islamic readings in the library were being used to fuel extremism, and that detainees were writing on the documents to exchange extremist messages. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

U.S. Gen. John Allen, the top commander of American and NATO forces in Afghanistan, said after the books had been mistakenly given to troops to be burned at a garbage pit without realizing it.

"It was not a decision that was made because they were religious materials," Allen said Tuesday, one day after Afghan workers at the garbage pit found the books. "It was not a decision that was made with respect to the faith of Islam. It was a mistake. It was an error. The moment we found out about it we immediately stopped and we intervened."

So it's okay for Christian Bibles to be burned and no one bats an eye, but burn the Qur'an and people go ballistic and start killing each other, and yet, the MSM will continue to defend Islam?     

I used to support our soldiers being in Afghanistan but now it is time to bring them all home. I hate that one of my closest friends is serving there right now and I am concerned, who wouldn't be?  Our American soldiers are being killed and for what purpose?  They aren't even wanted there!!  So, let's do Afghanistan a favor and pull out our troops now!!   Let them kill each other off.  But enough of our American soldiers dying for ungrateful people.

And what a pathetic, shameful and embarrassment that general made of himself and of our nation. quit the kissing up to these people!  I am tired Obama, his cronies and apparently some of sheep apologizing to these radicals. 


PRESIDENT Barack Obama has been forced to apologise over the burning of Korans at a US airbase in Afghanistan, where three days of protests have killed 14 people, including two American soldiers.
Violent anti-US protests have seen furious Afghans attack French, Norwegian and US bases, shouting "death to America" after the Taliban exhorted their countrymen to kill foreign troops to avenge the incident at a US-run base.

Afghanistan is a deeply religious country where slights against Islam have frequently provoked violent protests, and many Afghans are incensed at the discovery of charred Korans at Bagram airbase north of Kabul.

In a letter of apology to Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Mr Obama expressed "deep regret" over the incident that he said was unintentional, and pledged that those responsible would be held accountable.

"The error was inadvertent; I assure you that we will take the appropriate steps to avoid any recurrence, to include holding accountable those responsible."

Mr Karzai said a US officer was responsible - "out of ignorance" - for the Koran burning at Bagram and the US government had admitted the mistake, his office said.

The two Americans were shot dead when an Afghan soldier turned his weapon on them at their base in Khogyani in eastern Nangarhar province, district governor Mohammad Hassan said.

"As the protesters approached the American base here an ANA (Afghan) soldier in the base opened fire on American soldiers, killing two soldiers," he said.

GET OUR SOLDIERS OUT OF AFGHANISTAN NOW!!  I am literally in tears and feel so helpless. God have mercy!!


Debbie said...

The terrorists were using the Korans to pass messages and terror plans, the korans should be burned.

Right Truth

Z said...

They certainly should be burned and WE SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER HAVE APOLOGIZED.
Who the heck cares? LIke Muslims will like us more for apologizing? ARE WE NUTS? Will our intel and military EVER LEARN their frames of mind?

ugh, Leticia.

Am loving the book, thanks SO much again! xxx

Leticia said...

Debbie, right and that stupid General apologizes. What an embarrassment.

Z, our military is controlled by the great Obama, he is the king of apologies.

I am so glad you like it!! :)

dmarks said...

As per Debbie's comment, it might be true that the terrorists using the Koran's in such a fashion might be a desecration in itself.

The real apologies need to come from the terrorists. But this is only a minor thing on their list of transgressions.

Lisa said...

Anything they can use to create havoc.
I am sick of us apologizing. What are we becoming? Despicable indeed.

Jersey McJones said...


I 100% completely agree with you, though I doubt you'd see it that way. ;)

Strange world, huh?

Debbie, easy there, you're not helping your cause.

Z, something tells me if you were from Afghanistan, you'd be one of those hardcore Islamists who just want's to kill everyone.

And as for all of this "apologizing" silliness - it's cow chips. It means nothing. No one in power is doing anything all that different from what they were doing during the Bush administration, and long before. The military strategy and tactics are essentially the same. You shouldn't have to be a hypocrite to criticize today's government. There's plenty to honestly critique.


Magpie said...

They’re an unsophisticated people who are told night and day by their religious authorities that the Western world is evil, and the Koran is all they’ve got.

Apologies are just pro-forma. Letting anyone know about it to stir up more trouble is the only real regret.

And yes we should get the heck out. We’re being played.

Silverfiddle said...

Worst of all what how that general came out and bowed and scraped. Has anyone ever gotten ahead by apologizing to these murderous loons?

Bowing to them only puts you in the right position for them to chop off your head.

We should have disbursed the crowds with water cannons or teargas, and we should have said "hell yeah we burned those damned korans, your brothers desecrated them first by scribbling in them!"

Glad we're all in agreement. Time to get the hell out and leave these angry apes to stew in their fetid toilet.

Ducky's here said...

I don't think we should leave until we've completed the destabilization of Pakistan.

Bush started two wars in the East. Iran won both of them. All praise to the neocons.

cube said...

This is what we get for bending over backwards over these absurd "religious" requirements. I say, burn, baby, burn if they're using the Korans for illicit purposes.

Leticia said...

Ducky, it's time to pull out. They have declared war on our allies as well as American soldiers. They are not walking targets.

One of my dearest friends is serving in Afghanistan and I cannot begin to tell how worried and fearful I am. I am in tears. This has to end. No more Americans need to die.

I am with Silver on this 100%

Cube, they are literally murdering people for religious books that their own people desecrated when they wrote in them in the first place. Plans to harm America.

Burn them all! And let the MSM see how their beloved Muslims truly feel and behave.

Darn right I am ticked off.

Ducky's here said...

Leticia, I was being sarcastic.

It was time to get out years ago.

Ducky's here said...

They certainly should be burned and WE SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER HAVE APOLOGIZED.
Who the heck cares? Like Muslims will like us more for apologizing? ARE WE NUTS? Will our intel and military EVER LEARN their frames of mind?


Spoken like someone who doesn't have to deal with the repurcussions in country.

Leticia said...

Sorry Ducky, didn't catch the sarcasm. I was pretty upset when I was responding. It seems like we are all in total agreement to pull the troops out now. And quit apologizing.

Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Obama wasn't "forced" to do anything. His nature is as an apologist to Islam from the beginning.


Bloviating Zeppelin said...

The burning and uprising was an excuse to settle any number of personal and local religious grudges anyway. From Islam:

"Me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousins; me, my brother and my cousins against our nonrelatives; me, my brother, my cousins and friends against our enemies in the village; all of these and the whole village against the next village."


dmarks said...

Ducky said: "Bush started two wars in the East. Iran won both of them. All praise to the neocons."

1) Bush started neither war

2) Iran has not won either

3) "Neocons" had nothing to do with anything.

Want to take a do-over?

Leticia: Whatever you do, don't draw a cartoon. Who knows what butchery and murder might happen in the Middle East over it.

Right Wing Theocrat said...

I was reading earlier that all the apologizing and groveling was making things worse.

You are right, it's time to get out, the west has neither the money nor the will to win in Afghanistan. There are a few in the west who know how to win, but they'll be overwhelmed by the battalions of ignorant liberals and other such fools.

That wretched koran is the source of all the trouble from muslims, we should be annihilating them and burning korans en masse, only when they are decimated, have nothing to fight with and surrender unconditionally should we stop, then you can start rebuilding the place without islam. That's the only way to truly win like the allies did to Germany and Japan.

Anything else is just a waste of blood, time and money.

Perhaps when we leave Afghanistan and go home and a few years down the line those savages come to us and murder a couple of hundred thousand with a liberal president in power, then maybe the west will put aside all its blathering about human rights, reaching out etc and do what should have been done.

christian soldier said...

the DoD burns the Bibles of our BEST-no out cry-
our BEST murdered by islamists-no out cry-

Time to drill for our own oil-get out of the mid -East-and everywhere else for that matter-
thanks for the opportunity to rant!

I love our BEST!!!
Bring them home!

Leticia said...

This isn't anyone here, but I am absolutely in shock that a person I know is actually defending the fact that our soldiers burned the Qur'an! And they shouldn't have done that to people we are helping.

I am speechless.

Lone Ranger said...

Burning is a perfectly acceptable way of disposing of a Koran, just as it is the preferred way to dispose of an American flag. The desecration occurred when the prisoners wrote in them. Of course, Afgan militants seized on this incident to manipulate an ignorant population and a clueless Obama administration.

Liberalmann said...

Obama was right to apologize for this unfortunate accident. But of course the cowboys on the right will label this as appeasement. No, lets start another stupid war.

Leticia said...

Lone Ranger, absolutely correct!!

LiberalM, read this: Respect for the written text of the Quran is an important element of religious faith in Islam. Desecrating a copy of the Quran is punishable by imprisonment in some countries (life imprisonment in Pakistan, according to Article 295-B of the Penal Code) and has been punishable by death in Afghanistan, Somalia and Pakistan.

What's your answer now? Did two American soldiers deserve to die?

Those Afghani people are the one's that desecrated their holy book, not the Americans. Our soldiers were only burning something that was already considered "desecrated" by their own laws.

Liberalmann said...

Shit happens.

Leticia said...

LiberalM, you are truly a heartless and vile person, and I use that term lightly. God have mercy on your pitiful soul.

You wouldn't be saying that if it was one of your loved ones that had been shot down.

I feel sorry for you.

dmarks said...

Liberalmann said:

Obama was right to apologize for this unfortunate accident. But of course the cowboys on the right will label this as appeasement. No, lets start another stupid war."

1) What does this have to do with men herding cattle in the Old West?

2) We haven't started any of these wars. The govermment of Afghanistan started this one. But it appears you have forgotten 9/11.


Leticia said "What's your answer now? Did two American soldiers deserve to die? "

Well, the soldier who committed this act represented the government of Afghanistan at the time. He murdered to innocent Americans. So yes the government of Afghanistan should apologize for this.

Anonymous said...

A question, what Bible Burning are we talking about? Have Bibles been burnt by the Taliban or other Muslims? I can tell you that it is not only against the law in every single Muslim country to do so but almost any cleric would condemn it as being "haram" and demand punishment. Do not forget that the Bible is considered part of "The Book" and Jesus is considered a special Prophet in their faith.

This particular event has more to do with the entire campaign and the conflict itself than just the burning of Korans. The taliban are making the most of it, stoking fury in an environment and a level of local ignorance that would only result as such. No more and no less should be read into this situation other than the fact that it is clear that to Muslims that their Koran and burning it is considered very, very insulting.

I learned from a young age by my grand-parents (the Spanish side) to judge reactions by how those involved judge, not by my own standards. To do otherwise only confuses the matter and fails in the purpose of understanding why.

In this particular case, though we would object to bibles being burned, we would not go on rampages and seek violent revenge (though certain Philipinos, Nigerians, Westbro and Indian Christians may). In their case it also happened by a force sold as being intolerant and bigoted towards them and their faith. We may not go on a rampage of killing, however the reality is they do and it does touch their sensibilities.

That Obama sent an apology was a good thing and the right thing, to object to that as some politicians of the far-right have done, shows what a mess they would themselves create and how that sort of thinking damned America's image for such a long time before hand.


D Charles

ps, burn a Bible in Cincon (my Spanish family's home-town) and I wonder if you will get out of town alive...

dmarks said...

DCC said: "o object to that as some politicians of the far-right have done"

The objection is been mainstream, really. Leticia is not far right, nor are the mainstream conservatives in the US who have objected. There's nothing "Far" or extreme about them.

Anonymous said...

I feel obliged to point out that the comments by Debbie, Z and others are not only repugnant, classic bigotry and very unChristian but also EXACTLY why the arguments by radical Islamists get so much support. It is a confirmation that their argument that Christians are in fact on a Crusade to rid the world of Muslims and anyone standing in their way, that it is us that waged war on them, not the other way round. So thank you Debbie, Z and others for proving them right.

Personally, I have absolutely no doubt that the Lord Jesus, if He was responding to this thread, would condemn the comments both instantly and in not very polite terms.

D Charles

dmarks said...

DC said: "...EXACTLY why the arguments by radical Islamists get so much support...."

If comments like this by bloggers, or even presidential candidates can cause the arguments by terrorists to get more support, then those who are swayed by terrorists are already psychos to begin with. And if these comments don't trigger savage behavior, they are just as likely to go nuts and start slaughtering anyone in sight because of a full moon or lunar eclipse.

Basically, it is not a valid reason to go nuts at all.

Always On Watch said...

The Koranifada, as I've taken to calling it, has been raging for five days now.

Even to the point of descreating these graves, WW2 graves in Libya.

Obama's apology has done nothing more than embolden the Koranifadists.

Leticia said...

Charles this has gone way beyond a book being burned. TWO American soldiers were shot down in cold blood because of it.

Our soldiers were doing the RIGHT thing when they burned a "book" that had plans to harm Americans.

And furthermore, the Afghani detainee's were the one's who desecrated their own holy book, not the Americans. How funny that you liberals tend to keep forgetting that little tid bit.

I posted this and I'll post it again. Respect for the written text of the Quran is an important element of religious faith in Islam. Desecrating a copy of the Quran is punishable by imprisonment in some countries (life imprisonment in Pakistan, according to Article 295-B of the Penal Code) and has been punishable by death in Afghanistan, Somalia and Pakistan.

So, before you start agreeing with the pathetic apologies of Obama take the time and realize that innocent people are being killed because of what the Afghani people did to their OWN book, before our American soldiers even touched it.

They Afghani government should be APOLOGIZING to us!! And to the families that lost their loved ones over a "book."

Anonymous said...


The facts are actually not yet present except for the fact that there is ill feeling, anger at Americans, a series of wars, death, destruction and yes, a form of ultra-conservatism run by quasi-Islam worshiping radicals called the Taliban.

As I pointed out, the issue was exploited by the Taliban and the deaths of those soldiers has more to do with the war between the Taliban than anything to do with the burning of the Koran. That is clearly aparant and blaming anyone or anything else is simply incorrect.

You have incorrectly said that "their book" demands harm on Americans - that is simply illogical and baseless and it would be a shame that you vent your frustrations and anger on something illogical and false. Apart from the obvious - it was written before any Americans existed, there is no call to war against the war, non-Muslims or to kill unbelievers. That is the effort of profiteers and the uncontrolled bloggosphere, not academics. I thought by now you would have known that.

Demanding apologies from the Afghanis is also illgoical and open to a complete riddicule from the rest of the world, no Obama did the right thing. If you demanded an opology then even the US Supporting Afghan President would ask for an apology for the deaths of every single soldier and citizen killed by drones, friendly fire and mistaken identity. I understand you would not want any soldier to die, as I would not, but you have forgotten that you are in a war and that is what happened, because the battle was not about the burning of some korans, but that has been an excuse to simply keep the fire going.

A last thing, the burnign was a tactical mistake and though most certainly unintentional, it happened and under US/NATO watch and thus they must take the heat and thus the right thing to do was to apologize. That being the civilized thing to do thus also becomes a slap in the face of the barbarity of the Taliban - a good call.

Damien Charles

Leticia said...

Damien Charles, I NEVER said their book demanded the death of Americans. You misunderstood. It appears you failed to read my originally post.

"A Western military official with knowledge of the incident said it appeared that the copies of the Quran and other Islamic readings in the library were being used to fuel extremism, and that detainees were writing on the documents to exchange extremist messages. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information."

As I have asked liberalM I will ask you the same thing. Would you still believe that Afghanistan deserved an apology if it were you loved ones shot down in cold blood and defending so vehemently as you are now?

Does even matter to you liberals that American soldiers are being killed over a book that was desecrated by their own people? I am beginning to sound like a broken record here.

They broke their own laws when they wrote in their Qur'ans. What did you want the Americans to do? Hand them back those "extremest" messages? So they could passed out and around?

Absolutely not. They did the right thing by destroying them.

But you will never see that. All you want to see is how the Americans were wrong by burning the books, regardless if there were private messages written inside them to harm America and her people.

I support our troops and I will NEVER turn my back on them. EVER. And that goes for all of our allies.

Anonymous said...

Leticia, with all respect, your putting values on what are assumptions. The Western military official is not named nor was it produced as fact via news release and thus is at most an ussumption.

The second is your still ignoring the main point which has been clearly obvious from the entire period of this very long conflict - that the book burning is an excuse pushed by the Taliban to rekindle conflict and anger.

Your third error here is by what is typically the name-calling excuse that because one disagrees with your opinion that I must be a "liberal", which I should also point out is a word that has been totally skewered in the American vocabulary that it should be in fact deleted as it is meaningless. I am in fact a traditional Kant-Supporting classic Conservative of the original form. American Conservatism is divided into the groups like your self - neoConservative to a point of near-fascism or paleo-Conservatists that are in fact closest to real Liberals adn then Libertarians that are in fact traditional Liberals but cannot call themselves that because "liberal" has become a dirty word.

If my family had been killed, I will do three things - weep, pray for their souls and the souls of the perpetrator and attept to understand what happened. I would not jump to conclussions, demand fire and damnation and condemn souls that I have no right to do, because that is the Christian values that I was taught.

Leticia, do not get me wrong. I was pointing out that there are more sides to the story, that there are more people and more or different values than just your own and life is not black & white, it has eighty shades of grey between the two.

Best regards and I to hope that our soldiers all return home as soon as possible and that peace comes to that disaster.

Damien Charles

dmarks said...

DC said: "American Conservatism is divided into the groups like your self - neoConservative to a point of near-fascism"

Neoconservatives are actually kind of rare. When the term is used it usually has no basis in reality, at least in the US, and it is used as a general antisemitic insult, or a vague term to mean "conservative I do not like". In any case, the neocons I have met are as far from fascist as one can get.

"...or paleo-Conservatists that are in fact closest to real Liberals"

Nothing is further from the truth on this also. Pat Buchanan is the leading paleoconservative in the US, and he IS rather close to fascist.... from his views on trade, to his admiration for Hitler and Nazi Germany, to his love of Nazi war criminals, to his passionate defense of Iran's nuclear weapons program.

"...because "liberal" has become a dirty word."

There's no one to blame for that other than liberals. They ruined the word and now hide behind "progressive".

Leticia said...

DC, I suppose we are not going to agree on this matter, but that's fine. And for most of the time you do seem to lean more towards the idea of liberalism than conservatism. However, if I did that in error my apologies.

My whole take on this was that these "radicals" are screaming for the death of America because a couple of Qurans were burned. And that Pres. Obama apologized, even though, we lost two American soldiers in the process.

Thanks Dmarks.

Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Islam is the world's largest Death Cult, supported by the barbaric and/or the completely ignorant. You're talking about MILLIONS of adherents. Luckily the bulk of them are sufficiently ignorant NOT to take the words of the Koran literally or choose to ignore those particular words. I don't necessarily place those who practice Islam (and don't kill 'infidels') into the category of "Good Muslim" -- I place them into the category of "they just don't roll that way" -- YET.

There are forces in the EU and here in the US that are using EU and American laws and guilt against us all. Islamists would love nothing more than to apply complete Sharia Law and Borg everyone else. Those who refuse to comply will be killed. Simple.

Islam is a barbaric Death Cult. And "Islam IS as Islam DOES."

Those Westerners who ignore this do so at their own peril particularly in light of the fact that Liberals, Leftists, LGBTWs would be the FIRST eliminated.


Leticia said...

BZ, and sadly, my friend. Those that are pro-America and anti-Islam are considered to be the enemy.

Two American soldiers were murdered shot down in cold while sitting at their desks.

And yet, I am accused of hating and promoting hate because I don't care that those books were burned. I make no apologies on my stance.

Afghanistan has NEVER apologized for the deaths of our soldiers. And apparently that is not as important as the Qurans being burned.

Anonymous said...


I would answer your blinked assumption of what you think is the political spectrum and morals but since your and Teresa's basically abysmal showing on another blog I find it basically a futile effort.

My only suggestion, as I do often remind others on blogs here and elsewhere, is that you should perhaps constantly clafify with "here in America our form of ..... " as frankly speaking, because it is done a particular way in America does not make it the principle, main, best or example of it.

D Charles

Anonymous said...


Yes we will have to agree to disagree and that you accept that concept (unlike some others) is one reason why I like and participate on your blog. That is appreciated.

Though I will not respond directly to that commenter, the post by BZ is the perfect example of mindless bigotry and hate that is simply akin to the rubbish that radical Islamists produce. It simply has no basis on reality and be sure that such a poster has never bothered to know it. For those of us who actually have bothered to travel or work in Muslim countries, associated with Muslims from every side of the spectrum and bothered to study Islam - BZ resembles a spokesman for North Korea telling how great life is in their country as people starve - we call it obstenant hypocrisy. Personaly I agree with Immanuel Kant when he said that the two worst forms of people are the "ignorant arrogants" and the "arrogant ignorants".

D Charles

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dmarks said...

DC said: "would answer your blinked assumption..."

I made no blinked assumption. I was referring to what the definitions actually meant, regardless of which faction I believe in or don't believe in.

It is not what I think the political spectrum is. It is how it actually exists in the US. You really should research it.

Liberalmann said...

Wow, and you guys actually call yourselves 'Christians?'

Leticia said...

DC, thank you for saying that, it meas a lot.

LibM, do you even have an inclination at all what a "Christian" is or you just going by what you read from Wikipedia or the dictionary.

Liberalmann said...

Fox is just *outraged* that Obama apologized to Afghans for U.S. military members burning the Quran. George Bush similarly apologized to Iraq for military members desecrating the Quran in 2008 -- But Fox won't tell you that. Why? Because Fox is not news!

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