Thursday, May 19, 2011

Obama destroys alliance with Israel

Senator Allen West's response to Obama's debacle:


“Today’s endorsement by President Barack Obama of the creation of a Hamas-led Palestinian state based on the pre-1967 borders, signals the most egregious foreign policy decision his administration has made to date, and could be the beginning of the end as we know it for the Jewish state.


From the moment the modern day state of Israel declared statehood in 1948, to the end of the 1967 Six Day War, Jews were forbidden access to their holiest site, the Western Wall in Jerusalem’s Old City, controlled by Jordan’s Arab army.


The pre-1967 borders endorsed by President Obama would deny millions of the world’s Jews access to their holiest site and force Israel to return the strategically important Golan Heights to Syria, a known state-sponsor of terrorism.


Resorting to the pre-1967 borders would mean a full withdrawal by the Israelis from the West Bank and the Jewish neighborhoods of East Jerusalem. Make no mistake, there has always been a Nation of Israel and Jerusalem has been and must always be recognized as its rightful capital.


In short, the Hamas-run Palestinian state envisioned by President Obama would be devastating to Israel and the world’s 13.3 million Jews. It would be a Pavlovian style reward to a declared Islamic terrorist organization, and an unacceptable policy initiative.


America should never negotiate with the Palestinian Authority- which has aligned itself with Hamas. Palestine is a region, not a people or a modern state. Based upon Roman Emperor Hadrian’s declaration in 73 AD, the original Palestinian people are the Jewish people.


It’s time for the American people to stand by our strongest ally, the Jewish State of Israel, and reject this foreign policy blunder of epic proportions.


While the winds of democracy may blow strong in the Middle East, history has demonstrated that gaps in leadership can lead to despotic regimes. I have questions for President Obama: ‘Who will now lead in Egypt?’ and ‘Why should American taxpayers provide foreign aid to a nation where the next chapter in their history may be the emergence of another radical Islamic state?’


President Obama has not stood for Israel or the Jewish people and has made it clear where the United States will stand when Palestine attempts to gain recognition of statehood by the United Nations. The President should focus on the real obstacle to security- the Palestinian leadership and its ultimate goal to eliminate Israel and the Jewish people.”


Allen West is spot-on.  And I am curious to know how many Jewish people are going to consider voting for Obama the blunderer this coming election.  What he has done, it is unforgivable. 


I never thought I would see the day where the United States of America would turn its back on one of our greatest and closest allies.  This is reprehensible.  


The Muslim Brotherhood are probably applauding and dancing in delight.  We have traitor and Muslim sympathizer in office.  What is Obama going to do when the tables are turned on us?

34 comments:

Silverfiddle said...

What do we expect from a man who sat in Reverend Wright's "church" of Jew Hating for 20 years?

Liberals instinctively embrace America's enemies and spit on our friends.

Wise words from Col West. It would be great if America had a leader again...

MK said...

"And I am curious to know how many Jewish people are going to consider voting for Obama the blunderer this coming election."

Because it's not their ass on the line, when you're a liberal, your stupidity effectively means you'll support evil until it's you up against the wall facing an array of rifles.

obama has always been an Israel hater, just like most liberals, at heart many of them want israel to wiped out. At best some of them are too stupid to realize the logical end point of what they support. They think the muslim savages will be sated when they have israel.

Which is why i tell Israel and every nation on this planet, sort your own sh!t out, don't depend on any western nation for your survival because all it takes is one change of government and treachery is upon you.

Bd said...

Which pretty much mirrors what Bush proposed. Nice try are feigned anger.

Bd said...

MK,you're totally out to lunch with your hatred.

MK said...

"MK,you're totally out to lunch with your hatred."

Why don't you just cut to the chase and call me a nazi or something equally stupid and incoherent.

Leticia said...

Silver, it really would be great to see a great leader in office again. Not someone so wishy-washy.

MK, that's absolutely true, Obama has NEVER shown respect or loyalty to Israel, but he sure will sympathize with Palestine, aka Muslims, and not give a rats-rear-end about the Jewish families he would be uprooting.

Bd, I never mentioned Pres. Bush, but I was not too pleased of how he handled Israel. At least, I am able to see the bad side of a president I supported.

Bd said...

I think this is a good and fair plan and I believe you're wrongheaded in your assessment of Obama hating Israel. There is no proof of that.

As usual you're spouting what Fox news tell you to spout yet you haven't the fact when questioned, to back it up.

cube said...

Bush never proposed going back to the 1967 boundaries with or without swaps. Basically, BO has weakened the ability of our biggest ally in the ME to negotiate with the palestinians.

Wait, did I just say negotiate with the palestinians? HA!

The very palestinians about which it has been stated, "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity?"

What was I thinking? BO has just given islamofacists the *wink*wink* US approval to dump on Israel.

Patrick Carroll said...

Ewww...Bd, the stench of a Letist is among us. What's more putrid than Obama's actions? Listening to those who support him.

dmarks said...

in 2007, sixty percent of the Palestinian electorate voted to exterminate the Jewish Israelis (referring to the Hamas election victory). I don't hold this against the other 40% who decided to be decent human beings.

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BD said: "As usual you're spouting what Fox news tell you to spout yet you haven't the fact when questioned, to back it up."

You've tossed many (shall we say) dubious claims out there. I've asked you to support many of them. I'm still waiting.

Always On Watch said...

How I wish that Allen West were our President!

Before 9/11, I used to say to myself: "I'm not going to worry about what's going on elsewhere in the world." In other words, I ignored the rise of Islam.

9/11 changed my life and forced me to understand that all of us have a vested interest in a stable world situation.

What Obama did yesterday was destabilize the world -- and right on the heels of OBL's last audiotape, the speech lauding the Arab Spring.

And now Obama has come down on the side of the Arab Spring!

We are headed to no good place as Obama has done this damage to the nation of Israel.

Bd said...

Regardless of the lies and fear mongering going on her. This plan will solidify Obama's stature as a great President.

dmarks said...

BD: Would you mind telling us which lies you are referring to?

As for the fear problem you have, remember what FDR said: the only thing we have to fear, is fear itself.

Leticia said...

Bd, wrong again. This article was from the Washington Post. What is it with you hating FOX News, is it because they don't buy into all the liberal garbage you are so used to.

Cube, spot-on, my friend.

Patrick, right. And I wonder how they can support him? No clue. And we will never get a direct answer that question.

dmarks, how like liberals to point out Bush, even after all this time. This is NOT about Bush it is about Obama betraying our ally.

AOW, Allen West would make an awesome president, he or Hermain Cain. I would gladly vote for either men.

dmarks said...

The Palestinians need to follow the Japanese example.

Are we still bombing Japan? Of course not. They haven't attacked us since 1945, so there is no reason to. Same reason we aren't occupying them.

The Palestinians need to surrender, apologize to Israel for decades of attempted genocide, and give up on their iron dream of exterminating the Jews. Then Israel will have nothing to force them to bomb, occupy, or anything. Peace in Palestine, at last. The only obstacle to this is the Palestinian aggressors.

Bd said...

dmarks said: The Palestinians need to surrender, apologize to Israel for decades of attempted genocide,"

Yeah, you go a clue, lol! The jews have oppressed the Palestinians for decades. I've visited the camps in Jordan. It's time both sides stop with the violence.

Leticia said...

dmarks, I positively agree. They need to let this whole thing go. They lost the land after fighting with Israel. Israel won the land back and they deserve to keep it.

I also hate the fact that Obama says, "America" believes that they should give up their land. That's a bunch of BS. He doesn't speak for me and many others.

bd, if Palestine would discontinue their attacks on Israel and start focusing on their problems, they would see some changes.

I stand with Israel.

Bd said...

I stand with those who are oppressed. Not allowed to live where they want, not allowed to carry weapons, not allowed to work everywhere. I stood with the IRA also.

dmarks said...

BD stands with the terrorists. Including those genocidal kooks in the IRA who wanted to wipe out the people of the northwest United Kingdom in order to expand Ireland into that territory.

BD sides with evil, with the oppressors. I choose to side with good.

dmarks said...

And of COURSE they are not allowed to carry weapons, BD, because of their stated intent to use them to commit genocide.

BD, why do you hate Jewish people so much?

William Stout said...

78% of the Jews voted for President Obama. They had concerns that he would hang Israel out to dry, but he promised them that he wouldn't. President Obama lied. By wanting Israel to return to it's 1967 borders, President Obama is asking Israel to commit suicide. Worse, he knew that when he advocated it and so did the Israeli Knesset.

The irony here is that the Jews shot themselves in the foot with a large caliber handgun and KNEW that they were taking that risk when they put their support behind Obama. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if 70% vote to give him a second term.

Leticia said...

bd, I would also like for you to respond to dmarks inquiry.

William, they must be pretty devastated. I hope this will vote more conservatively next election.

dmarks said...

BD said: "As usual you're spouting what Fox news tell you to spout yet you haven't the fact when questioned, to back it up."

You've done this kind of thing several times, and usually it turns out to be another source, even one on the left, such as the Washington Post or CBS News.

BD, would it be too much to ask that if you make a claim that something was on Fox News like this, to cite where you found it? Which Fox TV program or web page?

Or is this something you can't do if it is really the case that you are saying something is from Fox News simply because you dislike it?

I suspect it is the latter. If you either document what you say, or refrain from making false claims, it will probably improve the quality of the discourse here. Thank you.

Bd said...

dmarks said: "BD, why do you hate Jewish people so much?"

Ah, there is this, the lame, canned, Hannity style answer from righties when you question the motives and actions of Israel.

Who are the oppressed? Better yet, who were the oppressed and who were the real terrorists in Northern Ireland? Here's a clue; I'm irish.

So far, no one he has shown they have a clue. They're only parroting Fox/Rush

dmarks said...

BD:

I asked you to back up your statements, and you changed the subject to Hannity and cans, Rush and Fox.

"answer from righties when you question the motives and actions of Israel."

No, that never happens. But people on the left AND right react properly and strongly to those who question the rights of the Isrealis to exist, and to defend themselve.

But true, some antisemites disguise their hatred of Jews as mere Israel-bashing.

"Who are the oppressed? Better yet, who were the oppressed and who were the real terrorists in Northern Ireland? Here's a clue; I'm irish."

The IRA is/was the real terrorists in the northwestern United Kingdom. They sought to oppress the majority of the native people there with minority rule, and also favored some sort of Irish imperialism whereby Ireland would take over this land, against the wishes of its people. Those are the simple facts.

So here you favor crimes against humanity (the IRA killing shoppers in London, for example) in order to bring out an entirely unjust result (the oppression of the native people of NW UK).

jez said...

"The IRA is/was the real terrorists in the northwestern United Kingdom. They sought to oppress the majority of the native people there with minority rule, and also favored some sort of Irish imperialism whereby Ireland would take over this land, against the wishes of its people. Those are the simple facts."

Too simple, dmarks.
1) There existed loyalist terrorists too, with whom on occasions the British army has been found guilty of collusion.
2) The whole question of who's the majority and who's the minority depends on framing. If you look at Ireland as a whole, obviously the Irish are the majority.

It could be argued that the British deliberately populated N. Ireland in order to establish a "majority" there. There are plausible claims that this is what some more fanatical Zionist Israeli's are doing when they settle in Palestinian regions.

Now, I have literally no sympathy with the IRA (and none for Palestinian terrorists either), but having grown up around it I know better than to just pick one side to blame exclusively. Commenters here seem to support Israel without question, regardless of how deep the Palestinians' subjugation. I confidently predict, there will never be peace in the middle East while the Palestinians are subjugated to the extent they currently are. You can complain about Palestinian terrorism and celebrate the Jewish state as much as you like, but that will do precisely nothing towards stopping the violence.

dmarks said...
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dmarks said...

Jez, it was a correct summary. The overwhelming terrorism came from the IRA.

"The whole question of who's the majority and who's the minority depends on framing. If you look at Ireland as a whole, obviously the Irish are the majority."

There is a difference between Ireland the nation and Ireland the geographic region (island). The latter should be factored out. Ireland the nation lies south of an international border.

"It could be argued that the British deliberately populated N. Ireland in order to establish a "majority" there."

Just as happened in North America. So, what now, do you want Native Americans to kill us all?

The fact is that the majority (no quotes needed) exists by birth, not invasion.

"There are plausible claims that this is what some more fanatical Zionist Israeli's are doing when they settle in Palestinian regions."

In some ways, these regions are a gift from Palestine. The Palestinians have had unwavering aggression and calls for the extermination of Israelis, forcing a long-term occupation.

One can imagine that if Japan had not surrendered at the end of WW2, and we were forced to occupy it to this day, we'd probably have a lot of settlements there also.

"I know better than to just pick one side to blame exclusively."

I pick the side that is overwhelmingly in the wrong.

"I confidently predict, there will never be peace in the middle East while the Palestinians are subjugated to the extent they currently are."

A subjugation entirely brought on themselves. In every aspect. I can start by mentioning the strict border crossing policies, which exist due to constant Palestinian aggression, including the Palestinian government's policy of using ambulances as troop transports

"You can complain about Palestinian terrorism and celebrate the Jewish state as much as you like, but that will do precisely nothing towards stopping the violence."

Yes, it will do nothing. The only effective solution is to erradicate Hamas and the other terrorists.

jez said...

"The overwhelming terrorism came from the IRA."
Define overwhelming. I think republican terrorists killed more than loyalists, but AFAIK it was only about twice as many. I wouldn't call that "overwhelming."

"The latter [Ireland the island] should be factored out. Ireland the nation lies south of an international border."
Since 1920, by an act of parliament that the Irish were against. That border isn't set in stone.

"The only effective solution is to erradicate Hamas and the other terrorists."
Like in Ireland, you mean?

dmarks said...

Jez said: Since 1920, by an act of parliament that the Irish were against. That border isn't set in stone."

Yes, there are some in Ireland who are imperialists, who want to expand the borders of Ireland by force into the land of another nation. But Ireland is a law-abiding and civilized nation. I'd be interested to find out what the current state of imperialist/expansionist sentiment is in Ireland.

As for "overwhelming", incidents of terrorism from the defending side were minor compared to those from the aggressors. It should also be considered that the entire war itself, and the deaths that resulted, were the fault of the IRA. If they had not decided to slaughter civilians for their unjust cause, there would have been no conflict.

"Like in Ireland, you mean?"

I've not referred to any action in Ireland. All of the "troubles" have affected UK territory, pretty much, not Ireland.

jez said...

You're making less sense as we pursue this, and frankly I begin to suspect the straightness of your bat. For example, you (wilfully?) misunderstand my question

"Like in Ireland, you mean?"

Clearly I mean to point out that peace in Ireland (the island) has been achieved without "eradicating" the IRA, but rather through negotiation.

But in case you're serious, here are a few responses to your questions.

"Yes, there are some in Ireland who are imperialists, who want to expand the borders of Ireland by force into the land of another nation."
But that's how the entire state of Ireland was formed in the 1919-21 war. Should you therefore refuse to recognise the outcome of this unjust conflict?

"I'd be interested to find out what the current state of imperialist/expansionist sentiment is in Ireland."

in Republic of Ireland:
http://www.thepost.ie/archives/2006/0402/majority-want-a-nation-once-again-13121.html

In Northern Ireland:
http://www.ark.ac.uk/nilt/2007/Political_Attitudes/UNINATID.html

"As for "overwhelming", incidents of terrorism from the defending side were minor compared to those from the aggressors."

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/abs1.htm

"It should also be considered that the entire war itself, and the deaths that resulted, were the fault of the IRA"

You can trace violence in Ireland back as far as you like, but the IRA (or the incarnation of it we're discussing) began as a response to attacks on non-violent civil rights activists. Now don't get me wrong, I blame the IRA too: I don't think their violence was justified nor was it helpful to them; but they didn't cast the first stone.

Leticia said...

I am learning a lot more about the IRA.

Shame we all just can't live in peace. A pipe dream, I know.

jez said...

I don't think it's a pipe dream, but if it is going to ever happen, we must prefer reconciliation to vindictiveness.

Leticia said...

Jez, you are spot-on!!